Sonic : Super Deformed (SSD)

Hitaxas · Feb 1, 2008

If you don't mind completely selling out, I guess this is a positive step forward... but you're going to learn absolutely nothing if everyone else does all the work for you without you understanding a damn thing about it.
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Not really, if I examine the new code, and look back at say S1, I can easily figure out what would need to be changed in order to do something. So, therefore, I am learning.

its not really "Selling out"

Porting hundreds of objects from other games for the sake of it is a horrible game plan. How about you concentrate less on aspects of the game that "rape every other Sonic game engine" (which is bullshit), and concentrate more on things that matter, such as level design? You're getting way in over your head.
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I never said the game itself would rape, because it might not be true. But, the cyb-out engine IS much better than Sonic 1-3's.

New objects will be nessesary in the new levels and level layouts. I never said there would not be new level design. I am nowhere near over my head, or I would have given up already.

Tons of technical features don't make a hack great—it's proper application of technical features that really make the difference. Finally, get your head out of your ass—you're not Mr. Big Shit for working off somebody else's over-exaggerated "engine rewrite."
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No, they don't. But it sure as hell helps.

No, you. And I never said I was, inferred that I am "Mr. Big Shit".

I should also note that your music choices are seriously making me groan. You're adding music for the sake of adding it, and not to change the feel of the game in a positive manner with fitting music.
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You may be making these conclusions from the old beta you received. The new ports of the songs are fitting.

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I am not here to argue with people about something I am doing, Tweaker. I am merely telling people of it.

Jayextee · Feb 2, 2008

Tweaker said:

I should also note that your music choices are seriously making me groan. You're adding music for the sake of adding it, and not to change the feel of the game in a positive manner with fitting music.
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Y'know, I was waiting for somebody else to have this opinion, so I could hop in and agree with them . Adding what seems to be a bunch of teen-angst nu-metal doesn't really fit anywhere in Sonic's universe. Even The Angstbag himself, Shadow, had a reasonable enough soundtrack to do his thang to (The theme to Mad Matrix still makes me jiggle. Shame about the game...). Port some XMs that actually fit the environments, that's if you can't write your own :D

Hitaxas · Feb 2, 2008

Most of the songs chosen fit, trust me. The whole thing isn't full-on nu-metal "angst" music. Most of those tracks are meant to be used in the boss acts, other acts have softer, more fitting music. I have not revealed everything in the soundtrack. So when you hear it, I am sure you will be pleased.

Hitaxas · Apr 15, 2008

BUMP, because I don't want the topic to be locked.

Also, some updates:

Shields, glorious shields:

Do they work? Yes:

Also to mention, this hack is now currently on the Sonic 2 engine, everything from S1 is being converted, as well as quite a few things from S3.
As you can see, Autumn Hill zone is already in, minus the flowers. Expect to see more updates soon, as work is rapidly progressing.

Xeric · Apr 15, 2008

Nice work! O:

Are the shields just graphical, or do they work like in S3?

Hitaxas · Apr 15, 2008

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Phineas @ Apr 15 2008, 08:07 AM)

Fire works with no problems:

Same with bubble:

shobiz · Apr 15, 2008

If you're talking about the lightning shield sparks being garbled, that's a combination of a SonMapEd bug and a wrong VRAM address. In ObjE0_init, it should be

Code (ASM):

move.w #$9BA0,d2 ; VRAM transfer location

not

Code (ASM):

move.w #$9B70,d2 ; VRAM transfer location

Also, SonMapEd (at least the version I have on my PC, I think it's 1.05) seems to have a bug where it converts certain mapping sets wrong - it does this with instashield and Tails S3K sprites as well. If just the VRAM location edit doesn't fix the garbled sprites, try using this mappings file for the lightning shield.

Hitaxas · Apr 15, 2008

That did it. Thanks Shobiz.

Edit: Another update:

shobiz · Apr 15, 2008

Which reminds me (it had completely slipped my mind, sorry about that), is Shadow's bubble bounce working properly now or is he still just getting stuck and not bouncing up?

P.P.A. · Apr 15, 2008

Chibi Super Sonic is adorable.

Hitaxas · Apr 15, 2008

Still stuck, can't figure it out... His object code is near-exact to Sonic's.

EDIT: Another small update. A recent bug fix made the game possible to play on Kega, which will be recommended as the best emulator to play this on.

Tweaker · Apr 15, 2008

I guess my above comment still applies here—a bunch of new stuff with no real direction or purpose.

Seriously. It's not like this is anything new—there's like 5 hacks with the shields in it now and all you've got is a sprite style you didn't create and Linkin Park. What is supposed to be appealing about this hack? I'm not seeing it.

SephyUK · Apr 15, 2008

Don't forget Metallica and AFI. :P
This hack does have a lot of potential, but a lot more can be done.

Hitaxas · Apr 15, 2008

Tweaker said:

I guess my above comment still applies here—a bunch of new stuff with no real direction or purpose.
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Wrong. You'll see when it is released. Also, most of those "5 hacks with shields" Are S1, whereas this is S2. =P

Tweaker · Apr 15, 2008

No, I'm not wrong. You can say "wrong" all you want, but it doesn't impress me, nor does it change my views on the matter.

If I'm so "wrong," why don't you prove it?

amphobius · Apr 15, 2008

Each hack is unique. Super Deformed is unique. Megamix is unique. Dustin Whatt's Epic Adventure is unique.

Hitaxas · Apr 15, 2008

Tweaker said:

If I'm so "wrong," why don't you prove it?
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I can chose to release information only if I wish to do so. In this case, I am chosing to keep quiet on most things. Giving all the information out would ruin the fun. If it does not impress YOU, why should I care? You are just one person out of many in the community.

Puto · Apr 15, 2008

Hitaxas said:

Also, most of those "5 hacks with shields" Are S1, whereas this is S2. =P
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Off the top of my head: Sonic 1 Megamix, Sonic 1 Remastered, SATSEE, Sonic 2 SMTP, Sonic 2: Advanced Edit, and now this. That's 6 hacks with shields, 3 of which are built on Sonic 2. So that makes you wrong there.

Tweaker · Apr 15, 2008

DalekSam said:

Super Deformed is unique.
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No, that's my whole point—it's not.

And pulling this "tough guy" appeal isn't going to make yourself look any better. If you fail to appeal to the audience in which you willingly publicize your work to, then you fail to create a quality product. I'm sure the developers of Sonic Next didn't care if they impressed anyone with the game, and that's why it turned out to be a festering pile of shit. Don't let your ego get in the way—I know I'm a bitch, but I'm a bitch who's damn proud of what I've accomplished over the years in the scene. If you want to act all high and mighty, then you need to earn it. And you haven't earned it yet.

So if you feel this "information" is going to change my mind, then by all means, share it. I hope you're not drawing your ego from the work that shobiz and Solaris have been doing for you, though, because I bet shobiz is the only reason you even got those shields working in the first place.

Hez · Apr 15, 2008

Tweaker said:

DalekSam said:

Super Deformed is unique.
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No, that's my whole point—it's not.

And pulling this "tough guy" appeal isn't going to make yourself look any better. If you fail to appeal to the audience in which you willingly publicize your work to, then you fail to create a quality product. I'm sure the developers of Sonic Next didn't care if they impressed anyone with the game, and that's why it turned out to be a festering pile of shit. Don't let your ego get in the way—I know I'm a bitch, but I'm a bitch who's damn proud of what I've accomplished over the years in the scene. If you want to act all high and mighty, then you need to earn it. And you haven't earned it yet.

So if you feel this "information" is going to change my mind, then by all means, share it. I hope you're not drawing your ego from the work that shobiz and Solaris have been doing for you, though, because I bet shobiz is the only reason you even got those shields working in the first place.
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accomplished? You have yet to impress me.

ok with all jokes aside, I do get what you guys are saying. I mean the sprites aren't even yours, I'm sure you got plenty of help with the shields. All we're asking is to see some progress of something original. Impress your audience damn it!

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