Sonic 3C(ustomizable)

Will that mean Knuckles won't access Flying Battery in the Sonic 3 segment of the hack?
Also:

Will there be any other things we can expect corresponding from the betas? Perhaps the "mini-"Hyper Sonic/Knuckles from the betas obtained getting just the Chaos Emeralds? I'm not asking you to do this, I'm really not, just curious.

 

Probably could have better explained that:

When Sonic/Knuckles gets the 7 Chaos Emeralds alone, they gain their abilities from their Hyper forms; Sonic will be able to use the "Hyper Flash" (but without the "Flash" portion) that kills all onscreen enemies, and Knuckles gains the ability to glide into the wall at a speed to defeat all onscreen enemies.
Sonic will also use the palette from his Hyper form. (Knuckles obviously uses it as well since it's the same for both his forms.)
The only two things different about these and their regular Hyper forms is that Sonic/Knuckles will take on the appearance of their Super forms (Sonic won't have his star arrangement from Hyper; Knuckles won't have his afterimages) and will not be able to breathe underwater naturally. Hope that explains this well enough.

If you wanna test it out yourself in S30517/S&K0525 to see EXACTLY what I'm talking about, go to Sound Test, play sounds 02, 04, 06, 08 (all C. Emeralds) and select a level with Sonic or Knuckles (of course). Be sure to transform in the normal fashion (50 Rings+Jump/Double Jump) and not with the S Monitor, because that gives you the "complete" Hyper form (e.g. the ones used in the final, ignoring that Hyper Sonic lacks afterimages and has the horizontally rotating star arrangement).

You could also collect the Emeralds legitimately, but why do that if you're just doing a quick check, right?

Anyway, Amy looks like she'll be pretty interesting to play as. I always liked Sonic Advance (and still do). I really like the sequence LB2 - DE1 (Final Boss from S3) - MH - S - LR - SS - DE2 - (7+Em.) TD. I also like how player-friendly Amy will be (as in you can choose whichever path you want; Sonic/Tails' or Knuckles'). It's a great idea to show the player what's in store for them later (referring to level order). (If that's what you were going for, anyway.) Pretty cool stuff you've got going on here.

By the way, it was wrong of me to use an imaginary term that no one else knows without actually explaining it. Sorry about that.

 

1a, but DEZ1 at that point would throw off game balance...

Maybe have two separate object layouts for DEZ1? The original for its normal appearance, and an easier one for its post-LBZ appearance? Get to a room stuck somewhere about midway through, press a switch, and run out when it 'splodes the first time through...

And then you get back there, figure "Heh. This'll be easy," and realize that it's not at all the same simple task it once was.

 

And he can't breathe underwater, but pretty much yes. That's why I figured it'd be pretty pointless to have both in there after rethinking it.

 

Fair enough.

 

Could you not program a cutscene for the end of LBZ where Tails flies in to save Sonic, picks him up and carries him in a similar fashion to the end of MGZ? That would also tie in to how Tails carries Sonic into MHZ.

 

Man...no offense but those Amy sprites do not match the sprite style at all.

 

So this is a bugfixed and slightly customized version of S3 right? It shouldn't be too hard, so you might wanna have a look at this (unless you wanna keep hidden stuff like this in):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNdl8neiCBo

Can't say anything else to it, really. This is the first time I read this topic, I always just clicked "mark as read" before. :v:

 

Playing with Amy is fun but I'd advise having her hammer move activate with a certain button rather than Down and Jump.

Also Knux dies upon entering his boss area in Angel Island in co-op mode (you probably know this already but to be safe). By the way will Tails be able to fly Knux around like with Sonic in the final version? (the Marble Garden glitch suggests it is somehow possible).

 

Some time ago I thought the same thing, and I've been told that that Tails is an entirely separate object (notice also how he doesn't get tired), so you shouldn't use that particular instance to believe it's an easy task. However I think it's definitely possible to work it out. In one of my test videos I even managed to get Tails to carry another Tails, albeit in a very buggy way.

 

In versions I've played Tails randomly does or doesn't get tired during the boss (a glitch not recognising the object change maybe?). I get that there may be some different coding and placements perhaps going into normal gameplay, I just thought that the fact Knuckles can use a similar programming and object reaction such as that may mean it is possible theoretically.

 

Glad to hear that. I guessed it was just a matter of commenting a line or two, but since I wasn't sure I went for a pessimistic answer :v:

 

Adding to the discussion, if I remember correctly, Tails carrying Sonic during the MGZ boss is not a separate object, but simply a special AI routine. In fact, Tails has a special AI routine for every zone, mainly to control his behavior when the zone starts (for example, CNZ, where he starts the zone carrying Sonic).

 

That is what I've been told back in the day.

Apparently this thread brings me bad luck, as I've been pwned twice in less than 10 minutes :v:
I shouldn't post here anymore.