Knuckles + Tails in S3K

Discussion in 'Engineering & Reverse Engineering' started by Mr. Fox, Nov 14, 2006.

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  1. StephenUK

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    No, what I said was true. S1 used 3 reds as standard, whereas S2 and S3K only used 2 in the standard palette. One of Tails' colours has to be sacrificed to provide the third red, which them means that Robotnik's art, the explosions and anything else that uses Tails' colours needs altering.
     
  2. Robjoe

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    To mess with pairings in S3K is pretty easy actually. Stealth showed me a while back, so credit should therefore go to him. To pair Knux and Tails, simply edit slot 00's player character pointer to Knuckles'.

    If you look around after slot 00, you'll find the pointers and other data for 01, 02, and 03.

    However, by simply changing the pointers in slot 00, you'll technically pair Blue Knuckles with Tails, since he has Sonic's pallette, DLE's, etc. To remidy this, you'd probably have to edit slot 00 to load the Knuckles specific data, or edit slot 03 to allow for two characters. This I have not done, but the former shouldn't be too hard.

    As for pairing up any two characters, it, well... doesn't work, to put it simply. Sonic and Knuckles occupy the same VRAM space, so the game flip-flops back and forth between sprite sets, as well as garbling the character whose sprites are not currently being accessed. Moreover, Sonic and Knuckles have no real AI programmed, so they just mimic your every movement, similar to Tails' prototype AI in the S2 betas.Even besides the pallette, you'd have a hell of a time getting the "non-conventional" combos to work.

    Lastly, if you're bored and want something to do, go to slot 03's sprite pointer (look around for the pointer for Knuckles, I'm too lazy to record the exact location at the moment. =P) and tpe in Sonic's. You'll get the inverse of Blue Knuckles, Red Sonic. Essentially, Sonic with Knuckles' pallette and DLE's.

    Again, I credit Stealth for the informaton on the sprite pointers for the character slots.
     
  3. nineko

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    Then my question stands... how could I get Red Sonic + Tails just editing a savestate?
     
  4. Dark Sonic

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    Someone made a topic about this once. might have been me acctually.

    Lol, I wonder if by some chance you could make Knuckles follow Tails or Sonic follow Tails. If you can't have Sonic follow Knuckles or the other way around, what's stoping you from reversing Tails and Sonic's positions.
     
  5. Robjoe

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    The lack of any real AI's for Sonic and Knuckles, and also, the game tends to read the collision strangely when Tails is the leader. Try it and you'll see what I mean.

    I'm gonna take a guess and say that you got the data that's being pointed to in the sprite pointer, but it was being interperetted as Knuckles since you were in slot 03. Hence, Red Sonic.
     
  6. nineko

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    I hoped you could jump on AIM to talk about this but you're never online :(
     
  7. Heran Bago

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    I never knew about this glitch. But more Knuckles + Tails would be cool. Red Sonic is nooo good though. Need the gliding!
     
  8. Puto

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    I know this is stupid, but how about Tails + Tails?
     
  9. Quickman

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    But that would mean Tails is in two places at the same time!

    PARADOX.

    Nah, probably easily possible if you edit the right code.
     
  10. nineko

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    You can't know how much fun I'm having by playing as Knuckles+Knuckles or other weird shit like that. Sonic+Knuckles is actually hilarious.
    Thank you, Robjoe and Stealth, for sharing these codes. Both of you win. :(
     
  11. Super

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    You want Robjoe, get MSN.
     
  12. Hez

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    Jesus christ this game is trash...
     
  13. Rosiero

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    EDIT: Never mind, I fixed it.
     
  14. Miles3298

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    Since I didn't see any links to patches or modified ROMs posted, here's a little patch by SonicHalloween that makes Tails also follow Knuckles.
     
  15. Mr. Fox

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    Oh, god. This patch is AWESOME. And no blue Knuckles as RobJoe suggested it would be. Really great.

    But there are 2 problems. Tails doesn't carry Knuckles and he doesn't appear in the special stage. If this would be fixed, I'll have one of the biggest orgasms in my life.
     
  16. Gurluas2000

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    this was explained earlier but lets try anyway making a sonic and knuckles and see how it is... or tails with sonic followring, id like to see that, still great job... one bug, I started the casino bonus stage and got a crash
     
  17. nineko

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    Do you use Gens?

    File -> Game Genie

    To have Sonic (1P) + Knuckles (2P) enter:
    006AF0:0001
    006AF2:6444
    What will this do? It will keep on overwriting Sonic's and Knuckles' tiles, so they will either display wrong or look the same (e.g. two Sonics or two Knuckleses).

    To have Tails (1P) + Sonic (2P) enter:
    006AD2:0001
    006AD4:365C
    006AF0:0001
    006AF2:0A94
    What will this do? Sonic will just replicate Tails' moves.

    I also noticed that non-standard couples will have problems with death. It seems that even when Tails is 1P and Sonic 2P, Tails can die and nothing happens.
     
  18. Gurluas2000

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    When exactly must theese be entered? and what char shall I choose to make theese work?

    also how about a red sonic?
    and blue knuckles with tails?
     
  19. nineko

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    Just go to File -> Game Genie
    They need to be typed only the first time, then they will be saved in a special patch file, so enter a description near them for future use.
    However, once entered, you have to enable them by clicking them. Highlighted codes will be enabled.
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    Then click OK.

    These codes work for character 00, e.g. you have to select "Sonic + Tails" in the selection screen.
    Knuckles will always be blue with this method.
    Red sonic can be get with this method, but you have to look for other addresses and I'm too lazy to do that.
     
  20. Robjoe

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    Since Tails can't carry Knuckles, I'm going to take a guess and say that he hacked Knuckles slot to allow for a second character. I did this myself, and ran into the same problem. I wander, what makes Tails able to carry the other character...?
     
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