Knuckles + Tails in S3K

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  1. Mr. Fox

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    Just found this glitch:
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    I wonder is it possible to have Knuckles with Tails in normal game, afterall they share the same pallete. Esrael made this possible in S2 in his Delta hack. But my childhood dream was to have Tails carrying Knuckles, just like he carries Sonic. Is it possible?
     
  2. Varion Icaria

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    You'd just need to change which Character variable tails is paired with most likely but digging through S3k is rather hard at the moment.
     
  3. Verse

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    RobJoe already has done it. He has not released it yet though, to my knowledge
     
  4. Super

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    He has, I've been to his house and checked it out myself. I believe it is actually a simple byte exchange. But, I'm not to sure on this one, but I think you get Blue Knuckles, I forget.
     
  5. Ben2k9

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    what id really like to see is sonic and knuckles...I know its impossible due to pallates but that would be one sweet hack

    EDIT: Spelling.
     
  6. Ah, the wonders of character selections beyond 03.

    Go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong here, but that sounds like it's loading the "Knuckles" player object with Sonic's palette.

    Wow. I never thought I'd get used to Firefox's new auto-spell-check so quickly. That short aside out of the way...

    Load up Angel Island, Mushroom Hill, Hidden Palace, or Sky Sanctuary and tell me what you see.

    Granted, this isn't the same thing as the Knuckles player object, but the player object would need modifications in order to be used in place of Tails anyway so why not make a few changes to the sprites?

    Edit: Ah, sorry if I sent the wrong message about the spelling; I was more amused with how many words I spelled wrong on the first try than anything (without spell-check I'd never spell palette right).
     
  7. Ben2k9

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    LOL sorry about the spelling. And obviously yeah I'm talking about full player control with all knuckles' abilities etc. The computer uses a different pallate for baddie knuckles, but shares a dynamic pallate with Sonics for the player controlled knuckles, obviously you'd have to make it so you can actually play as S&K togeather in the first place but under the current pallate you'd get a blue knuckles.
     
  8. ICEknight

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    Well, Stealth already made a Knuckles sprite set that uses Sonic's palette (albeit with blue socks), so it might not be that impossible.
     
  9. Mr. Fox

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    Actually, all different character combinations are available in Sonic Advance 3. But we know that game sucks. Sonic with Pico Hammer? Oh my...

    I WOULD really like to play as Knuckles + Tails combo in S3K. Any ideas, guys?
     
  10. nineko

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    That Tails+Knuckles in MGZ isn't a bug. Knuckles can easily go to Sonic's path, I also posted a video on Youtube about that: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LyE4tem3ICQ

    Then, take a look at this post: StephenUK is working on Sonic+Knuckles in his hack.

    Also, this is a bonus pic for you:
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    Savestate is available if you want. I'm sure that a tech member can figure out how to complete the "trasformation" from Sonic to Knuckles. All I could get was a Red Sonic with K?T?E in the life counter, I'm sure there's not much more to do to have a playable Knuckles+Tails couple.

    edit: links
     
  11. StephenUK

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    Not impossible at all. I've sorta got Sonic and Knuckles together in an old test ROM ofmy hack, and had them noth perfect on the same palette line. It can be done, it's just not easy at all, and a lot of art will need to be edited among the objects to compensate for the palette alterations.
     
  12. Mr. Fox

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    Actually, Knuckles can teleport there. There's a special thing about MGZ. In some places you can duck, then when the screen'll start moving you should jump and the level'll start warping around. This trick can be seen in this run (http://tasvideos.org/331M.html). In this run Sonic fights Knuckles boss in MGZ.

    Explanation of glitch, actually:
     
  13. nineko

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    Yes, I know about that "teleport" thing as well. It's not a "special thing", it's more a glitch in the graphic engine in those levels that wraps vertically, like MGZ1, ICZ1 (where Sonic can get to Knuckles' path), SS and others. The point of my video was to show that Knuckles can get there without the need to use a glitch or something. Everyone knows that glitches and debug mode can make you do impossible things, I instead prefer when something unexpected can be done without screwing up the game.
     
  14. ICEknight

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    Not if you do what Stealth did. He just used the existant first palette without altering it. Knuckles does look more red than usual, but that even makes him more similar to the way he looks in the artwork (besides his new blue socks).
     
  15. Tweaker

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    I might just be being niave here, but can't you just swap the object pointers of Sonic and Knuckles together? That'd be a quick and dirty solution to getting them both together...

    Maybe I'll give it a shot. Watch this space.
     
  16. SMTP

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    Yes that would work, but then tails will have wrong colors though.
     
  17. Tweaker

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    So then you edit the pallet line to compensate for the changed colors... simple. All that would really do is change Knuckles' socks, wouldn't it? :P
     
  18. Mr. Fox

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    Tails doesn't have his own palette, he uses a small part of Sonic or Knuckles's palettes, this part is identical in both, so it'll cause no problems. Just look at the picture in my first post.
     
  19. nineko

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    Yes, Knuckles and Tails can coexist. When you play as Knuckles, Sonic's colors in the first palette line are replaced with Knuckles' ones. Tails' colors, still in the first line, aren't touched. Sonic (or Knuckles) takes the low indexes (I don't know how many), and Tails gets the high ones.
    When Knuckles is an enemy instead, he uses other colors from another line.
     
  20. SMTP

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    I knew the oranges were used when being knuckles..(robot explosions) I don't know why I put that....
     
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