<!--quoteo(post=181822:date=Feb 27 2008, 09:47 PM:name=Sazpaimon)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sazpaimon @ Feb 27 2008, 09:47 PM) [/quote] This happens if you set your country to Japan. [/quote] Just another one of those undocumented changes. Much like the change in title screens for Sonic Adventure US and EU. US has a static water image, while the Euro version has a ripple effect, just in case you didn't know. [/quote] While true, why does Tails life meter say Tails rather than Miles? Does Sonic 3 not change that? [/quote] Yup, it only does in the final S&K/S3&K.
Speaking of Tails... I forget if you get that portrait even for a complete Tails game in Sonic 3... but the real bug here is that I'm only up to Flying Battery on that save. I can only pick Zones 1-6 from this screen.
<!--quoteo(post=181793:date=Feb 27 2008, 02:09 PM:name=Seanieb64)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Seanieb64 @ Feb 27 2008, 02:09 PM) Theres an interesting layout, lots of things to jump in and put, like holes, and for some reason I keep getting stuck in the "floor" Obviously a very primitive level layout.[/quote]...Or just some non-level data being read as such.
I was thinking that instead of the floor falling, maybe they simply made it a "forced scroll screen" (like the bombing scene in Angel Island) with obstacles, as you destroyed the robot, Just a thought, that's the fun of these prototypes, the idea of an actual level rather than just a robot and the floor.
We may find out this may have been a level that was a concept but hit the cutting room floor as the deadline hit and the game was split, but it may just be an artifact of the corrupted level data. Someone needs to map this out with SonED and see if it's just a garbled mess or if there's anything interesting, I'd have never known about the Japanese miles zone complete card I've only played one japanese ver. of a game, Sonic CD. (btw, I swear I hadn't seen that damn navy blue balloon...... <_<
If you're unsure about something you find, you should download Qjimbo's duel gens. You can run the final and the prototype side by side. It's really awesome. It's in the pinned topic. And I see Nemesis is viewing this topic. He can probably explain why Doomsday maps out a level....
When in object placement mode the rings counter shows the frame of the current object. but does not show the current frame of the player like in the 517 build.
<!--quoteo(post=181817:date=Feb 27 2008, 08:32 PM:name=Kamek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kamek @ Feb 27 2008, 08:32 PM) [/quote] This is in the final. [/quote] As a random aside, that's the balloon that uses Sonic's pallette for it's pallette. If you're Super, it'll flash yellow with you =)
<!--quoteo(post=181426:date=Feb 26 2008, 04:13 PM:name=Kamek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kamek @ Feb 26 2008, 04:13 PM) The red spring is missing in this area, making it impossible to continue without debug. You can still take the lower path though.[/quote] OK, funny thing about that spring... It's not missing, just hidden. You have to roll up into a ball while coming back down from the other side to trigger it. Even funnier thing about that spring... Tails can NOT trigger it, no matter how hard he tries.
As much as I've been keeping up with this topic, I don't think that its been mentioned that the final S3k has more save files? I'm not sure about sonic 3 standing alone, but I know S3k has more files.
Basically the save format is the same as Sonic 3 -- 6 spaces, no record of continues. It might have been mentioned, but the number of spaces presumably was not.
<!--quoteo(post=181825:date=Feb 27 2008, 04:02 PM:name=Kamek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kamek @ Feb 27 2008, 04:02 PM) the real bug here is that I'm only up to Flying Battery on that save. I can only pick Zones 1-6 from this screen.[/quote] Once you beat Launch Base, the game saved is marked "clear" and only allows you to choose the first 6. I need to beat the game fully to see what else it does *up to FBZ*. Btw, I checked after every zone what the save does, so far only LBZ makes that big change. I think Lava Reef marks the game as fully clear for Sonic and Tails, and Sky Sanctuary for Knuckles but I will have to check. Edit ... It appears Flying Battery is not completable, at least not as Tails. The spider things that come from the ceiling, reminiscent of the ones in Chemical Plant, cannot grab him. So you go the other route. Then, another fork: one with another spider that does not work, and the one where the button is supposed to open both corkscrew doors. It only opens one. I cannot progress Edit2: A few other things I noticed in my playthrough. If they have been posted before I'll remove them. IceCap Zone 2 - Missing spring-thing? Launch Base Zone 2 - Isn't that a Robotnik box in the final? Mushroom Hill Zone 1 - Nice ring pattern replacing the special ring. Flying Battery Zone 2 - Tails can fly up the side no problem. Flying Battery Zone 2 - Missing ball things, you can get through by spinning from the spring, you'll follow the floor and celing. It's cool. Flying Battery Zone 2 - An extra platform. You get hurt by the spikes if you try to stand on it. Meant to trick you from above? "" Another, farther to the right.
BTW, can somebody check level icons in the "data select" screen? PC version of S3K had a different FBZ icon, so maybe it's in one of these protos, or maybe other icons are different as well.
After the post I quoted above, mentioning FBZ and the Clear save, I was really hoping that after I beat MHZ, it would show FBZ as zone 5 with the other icon, but alas, it does not. It uses the same icon as in the final
Hidden Palace Zone (Sky Sanctuary act 1): You can actually get there by debugging to knuckles' route in LRZ2. spring is different when you try to access the upper level. playing area is much narrower, there is only room for 2 sets of springs to get the rings over the spikes. No item boxes here. 3 lives here. flame shield instead of 10ring monitor Knuckles just looks up, he doesn't jump up and try to get the emerald. ...Until a bit later on, there's no sounds for the electricution, and sonic is fixed. When you debug out of the fix he cant hit robotnik. When he lands he shakes his head but doesn't signal sonic to follow, he just runs straight through the wall. Knuckles doesn't jump on here and you are able to free roam. Niether does he follow. Also, no sounds for knuckles, and, when you play as knuckles on this stage its exactly the same as final.
