Sonic Generations - Unleashed Project v1.0 Available

minchar

 

Thanks. This is a great mod I love it. It's running great on my machine no real slow downs as far as I can see. I have a dated graphics card and an Athlon II X2 so I was surprised. Maybe it's because I ran the low end mod. But I got the impression that even with the low end mod the requirements were high.

I was wondering if you had any plans to port the Wii daytime stages. I don't know if that would be more work since they don't run on the Hedgehog Engine. But it would be neat to have both versions in one place.

Either way though this is a great mod. I can't thank you guys enough for it.

 

I have never once seen a score of 60,000.

 

Bro

Imma let you finish

But Dario has made the best rank system scale of ALL TIME.





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ok seriously though, I've often respected you Blaze, and thought your views were actually the more insightful ones around here, but right now you don't seem to be acting like you. You not getting an S rank on Savannah Citadel for outputting your best performance in a while makes you think the grading curve should be more lenient? Any reason as to why?

Your basically saying "since my skills aren't that great I deserve a good grade no matter what." But that kind of logic is just nonsensical. If you take the SAT, do you expect to get a 2100 (or whatever a perfect score is now} because you tried your best? No, you get what you get because you take out what you put in. If you got the absolute BEST score on that stage possible, at least by our standards, you're rewarded with a top-teir rank. S rank means you're of the elites. It means you worked your ass of to get that score. It doesn't mean you got it just through simply playing the stage. You never get to see the S until you become a man.

Now, yes, you've been spoiled by Unleashed (kinda} and Generations (especially} handing out glittering S ranks on equally glittery silver platters, but you have to understand that the idea of the top rank in the first place is the best rank one can get. The S rank fits that category, and I see no reason for it not being the reward for those who've mastered their skills. Are you sure you're not just upset you didn't get an S rank on your first go?

 

Or my second, or my third, or my fourth, or my fifth, or my sixth...

You think that video of mine was just me turning the game on for the first time and getting a run like that? No, that was me getting A rank after A rank and then saying "Well I've played the stage about as well as I can be expected, might as well give up for now"

Yes, since then, others have given me tips on things I could be doing to be faster. But at this point, I don't care. The tips I have been given are all non-obvious things that only people who are "serious" about speed running would think about. My original implication of "Of course, Paraxade would say that" was that he holds the world record in some of these games. If anyone would know how, it would be him.

This is a very, very touchy subject, with a lot of machismo "guess you're just not good enough huh "

Which is exactly what I've really grown to hate about the subject. Proper difficulty balancing is one of the hardest things to "get right" on just about any game, and it's something I've really, really been trying to figure out for a long time. There is a difference between games that are difficult as a method of encouraging you to get better at the game (Bayonetta) and games that are hard for the sake of being hard (I Wanna Be The Guy). Understanding what it is about the former is very important.

It all comes down to what sort of feedback you're providing the player and how frustrated they are getting. The underlying point above about me not caring about the tips I'm being given is that the mod was giving me no feedback that I was doing anything wrong or that there even was a "faster route" to take. As far as I was aware, I was playing the level perfectly. And it is not rewarding me for that. That's poor feedback. Which leads to frustration. Which leads to me not wanting to play the game anymore.

Get it?

 

No I don't.

What I get is that you seem to think you NEED the S rank. You don't NEED the S rank. This is not IWBTG where you are forced to walk through a forest where standing stll for a microsecond in the wrong spot will kill you. Yes, you're exaggerating, but your point is this is an unfair ranking system.

Like I said, the S rank is the top tier rank. If you can't get it, YOU CAN'T GET IT. Maybe you can, if you keep practicing! But no need to dismiss this level as too hard or "only speedrunners would be able to S rank this," because S ranking... What's the benefit of getting an S rank? You get a fucking S rank. That's it. Nothing else. In games with difficulty like IWBTG, you finish the stage if you go through hell. In this game, you're considered badass and given a ranking for being such if you go through hell.

You remind me of one of those kids in school who would always be dissatisfied with getting a 90 on his test and see other people get 99 / 100, thinking "only a genius can finish these tests." While everyone has their own skill level, when it comes down to it, if you work your ass off you get the best score. If you don't, oh well, what you input is what gets output.

There are no achievements in this mod, so you won't die if you don't get all S ranks. If you don't get it, MOVE ON. I didn't get S ranks in the original Unleashed because I was stupid. Did I care? Fuck no. It was a grade on my performance. As long as I had fun in the stage, I was fine. If I really wanted to get an S rank, I'd look for all possible ways to optimize my time, like, oh I don't know, a speed runner. You know, like if I wanted to pass a test, I'd study so I retain information a genius would.

Don't cry if you can't reach a score Dario could when he was half asleep :S

 

This stopped being about just me a long time ago. If you really think I'm fighting just so I personally can have it, you've missed the point of everything I've been saying.

Which officially means I'm out of here.

 

Including Jungle Joyride? That one's the killer.

cheer up bro


edit: Welp, already ruined by M-speed glitching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rF4lKQSaEY

 

I'd have to agree with Blaze, but at the same Dario. Sure they are hard, and honestly, 10 seconds less on the stages for S ranks would be nice, but it is do able. You can always change it yourself anyways.

Windmill Isle - S Rank at maximum 2:05.
Savanna Citadel - S Rank at maximum 1:50


Both of these stages I was 10 seconds off. I personally think there should a balance. Something that would give the newbies something to work for without it being TOO hard, yet it's not too easy for the "lo proz only" people.

Unless you're flat broke.

 

And that's perfectly fine. The average person can still see and experience everything in the game but their rank will reflect their performance and encourage them to get better. In the real world, D is below average, C is average, B is above average, and an A is excellent grade. Getting an A on a test is supposed to be very difficult, require lots of studying, and show you know the material well. But if you think my real world example is too cruel, then think of the ranking system like achievements. They're not designed for the average gamer in mind, they're designed for the "try-hards" who want to get as much as out of their games as possible and are rewarded with nothing but a medal of sorts that shows how much they mastered a game. There are some games I've beaten that gave me barely any trophies for my accomplishments. I beat the PSN version of Bionic Commando Rearmed and that game only gave me one trophy. Does it bother me that I'm rewarded with so little and do I feel like I earned more than that? No, absolutely not. I think modern gaming has become way too easy and many achievements in games are handed out so frequently it's ridiculous. Not to mention the need to work harder to earn great ranks makes ranking systems a lot more satisfying. I don't own the HD version of Sonic Unleashed and have only played a few daytime levels from that version, but I was able to get a C rank or higher in most of the levels with my first attempt. Once I beat these stages multiple times, I'll get much better ranks pretty easily. The fact I got an A rank in my second attempt with both Windmill Isle acts and haven't gotten an S rank yet in act 2 gives me incentive to play that level more until I master it. Granted, the ranking system is very flawed and I thought both Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Colors had far more interesting ranking systems, but it works well enough to be a worthy feature of the game. Same cannot be said of the vanilla ranking system in Sonic Generations which was an absolute joke. Though I'll admit the ranking system worked a lot better for the missions.

 

Congrats, EuroGamer also did an article on the mod to! http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-21-modders-release-high-res-sonic-unleashed-pc-conversion

 

I'll just throw in my 2 cents by saying this: I don't give 2 shits whether I S-Rank a stage in this mod or not. If I don't, fine. If I do, hell yeah.

But moving on, this mod is amazing, and totally worth the wait. I love how it's getting all sorts of gaming journalism attention as well.

 

Ohohoho, I love it. This is amazing. And the World Adventure remix in the hub is truly a thing of beauty. Great job, Dario and team.

 

Because I'm a master of shameless plugging and I don't have an audience outside of retro hence the need for me to post this here, I discovered a bug and put it in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNrlgyKu_vs

edit: omfg I didn't get an s-rank I'm uninstalling this mod right now because I'm demotivated to play

 

Congratulations on the release, the mod turned out to be as great as I expected!

I didn't have any issues while playing with modern Sonic, but with classic Sonic I experienced an "infinite loading screen" after quitting a level. Looks like I'll have some debugging to do.