Your idea of the Sonic "canon"

Yeah. I can beat Sky Deck in about 3:30 or so. I can only get a time like that for the first two levels as team Sonic in Heroes.

 

I mostly agree with all that, but I'd put the best times to beat in less than 1 minute, as 30 seconds seems a bit too short for every level.
Almost every Sonic 1 level can be beaten in less than a minute by choosing the correct paths, by the way, and that even includes Scrap Brain 3.

 

I fact I can beat it even faster than Green Hill 1 (my record in GHz1 was 26 seconds, in SBz3 it's 23).

 

I'm still waiting for my 32X... I ordered it with Chaotix, Tempo and Star Wars Arcade for less than $40 (less in Euro) from Canada... plus $60 shipping which supposedly takes 6-8 weeks. Have I been ripped off with the shipping costs? >_>

*cough*

He also got kidnapped once in Sonic 2 8-bit. :P

 

But at least he manages to reach Sonic always, even if he's killed and has to resurrect. Amy completely fails to reach Sonic in most of the cases.

 

Oh yeah, and I hold that the Rush and Riders series come before SA1. A lot of things point to it, such as the Tornado I-lookalike in SRA, the lack of anyone introduced in SA1 or beyond (Gamma, Big, Shadow, Rouge...), the SA1-style Eggmobile, etc. I wouldn't be surprised.

So, I guess the order of "major" games would be:

Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic CD*
Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Sonic/Tails)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles (Knuckles, potentially a lot later)
Sonic 3D
Chaotix
Advance 1
Advance 2
Rush 1
Rush 2
Riders 1
Riders 2
SA1
SA2
Heroes
Shadow
Battle**
Advance 3
Sonic Next-Gen
Rivals 1, 2

Secret Rings is in there SOMEWHERE. After Knuckles and Sonic have known each other long enough to argue easily, anyway.

* I have the idea ingrained in my mind that, somewhere, I read that the Death Egg took six months to reach the surface following the events of Sonic 2. Maybe it had something to do with the concept that Sonic went straight to Angel Island right after S2's ending? Because he doesn't. There's at least a span of a few days, so maybe that's where I got mixed up. If I were to place CD on either side, it'd be before S2.

** Shadow isn't crying about who he is in this game, so Battle has to happen after his crap-tastic game. Advance 3 necessarily follows.

 

Letsee:

First came a bunch of mostly good 2d games. Then came a 2d game with 3d sprites that blew. After that came a few okay 3d games. Then came a string of shitty 3d games and a bunch of good 2d games with tired gameplay. And here we are today!

There you go. Sonic the Hedgehog in a nutshell.

But since I am relatively new to this board I suppose I shouldn't be my usual cynical self, so I guess I will actually add to the convo.

I also have trouble placing CD. Not because of when it was released, but because its hard to place timeline wise because of time travel. The past seems to be the long ago past, but because the boss fights all take place in the future, and the future seems to be the near future, as the end of the game is after a boss battle in the future. But then some of the scenery changes between present and future seem like they would take a long fucking time.

But then by this nerdy analysis, I guess parts of Sonic Adventure take place long before any of the other games.

Really I don't think about it much as CD was the pinnacle of Sonic Games IMO anyway. Really I think CD was meant as an alternate to Sonic 1 more than anything else. So I guess I would place it like this...

Sonic 1/CD
Sonic 2
Sonic 3&K
Chaotix
Sonic 3D Blast
R
Adventure
And then I stopped playing Sonic games, aside from a couple of the GBA ones on emulator.

 

Don't Shadow and Battle contradict each other? Battle says Shadow as model'd after Emerl or some crap, then Shadow comes along and says "LOL BLACK DOOM"

 

Except you can unlock Rouge and Shadow amirite

Still, a few days isn't enough to build all sorts of metallic bases on the faraway Little Planet, tons of new robots, time-travelling devices and Metal Sonic and so on. Especially since building Launch Base on Angel Island and the badniks there and all that other stuff would have takes a few days at least by its own, so I doubt he still had time to simultaneously plan the thinsg he did in Sonic CD. The game either happened before Sonic 2 or after S3K (which I find more likely due to Metal Sonic seemingly being a new kind of Sonic robot after Silver and Mecha Sonic had failed. Their model row was discontinued, however metal Sonic was constantly reused afterwards.), but not in-between them.

While I agree with this, Shadow does cry about who he is in the game, however this time because he knows it. ("BAWWW I'm A SOULLESS WEAPON HEY EMERL BE EMO WITH ME")

Or flower seeds (Sonic CD). Or nothing (8-bit titles. Though that may be just due to technical limitations so let's ignore that.).

Spring Yard Zone, Star Light Zone, Stardust Speedway, Giga(lo)polis Zone, Radical City(, Chemical Plant Zone's background?)?

 

He was at D.A garden too.

 

(D.A. Garden IS the sound test.)

 

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Indeed. Actually, I totally forgot Tails was in DA garden. I just remember him by the "See you next game" pic where he is standing next to a car, accessible by sound test of course.

Of course knowing where the whole "Sonic's Friends" thing went, I kinda wish he was under the wheels of the car.

 

We can't include Sonic 3 as cannon, because then we'd have to throw out every game afterwards. We forget that Sonic dies in Carnival Night barrel room after a time over, how can he be alive for the rest of the series?!

 

I agree mostly, I think 3D blast contributed nothing of value(notice how they have yet to refer to it again in any way) and I disagree with R and Riders and such being in cannon. It'd be like saying Sonic Drift should be cannon, or Mario Party, err, Sonic Shuffle, they were alternate games never meant to be part of the main story

 

Retarded and moronic come to mind.