UBUNTU DUMPING X11

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  1. Mad Echidna

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    <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/137212/Ubuntu-Dumps-X-For-Unity-On-Wayland" target="_blank">http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/1...nity-On-Wayland</a>

    Also that editorial has it totally wrong. Ubuntu should not focus on being a Linux distro because no one WANTS Linux distros. Ubuntu is taking a strong visionary role just as Google has with Android, and I'm loving every minute of it.

    This quote shows that OS News gets it:
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ubuntu also considered Android's compositing environment, but it would take too much time and work to adapt the free software stack to that solution. Ubuntu also talked to several providers of proprietary solutions to get them to open up their code, and they even considered writing their own. These options were all discarded in favour of Wayland.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I want to pat them on the back so hard right now.
     
  2. Conan Kudo

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    <!--quoteo(post=526539:date=Nov 5 2010, 01:36 PM:name=Mad Echidna)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mad Echidna @ Nov 5 2010, 01:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526539"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/137212/Ubuntu-Dumps-X-For-Unity-On-Wayland" target="_blank">http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/1...nity-On-Wayland</a>

    Also that editorial has it totally wrong. Ubuntu should not focus on being a Linux distro because no one WANTS Linux distros. Ubuntu is taking a strong visionary role just as Google has with Android, and I'm loving every minute of it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ba-da buh-ba-bum, I'm lovin' it™!

    This will be a rather interesting experiment. Already <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/145058.html" target="_blank">Fedora is taking an interest in it as well</a>.
     
  3. AamirM

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    Ubuntu just moved up a notch. It's now at 0.
     
  4. I didn't even know that there was an alternative for X11! I now find Canonical's latest developments quite interesting...
     
  5. Mad Echidna

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    <!--quoteo(post=526550:date=Nov 5 2010, 12:03 PM:name=Conan Kudo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Conan Kudo @ Nov 5 2010, 12:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526550"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=526539:date=Nov 5 2010, 01:36 PM:name=Mad Echidna)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mad Echidna @ Nov 5 2010, 01:36 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526539"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/137212/Ubuntu-Dumps-X-For-Unity-On-Wayland" target="_blank">http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/05/1...nity-On-Wayland</a>

    Also that editorial has it totally wrong. Ubuntu should not focus on being a Linux distro because no one WANTS Linux distros. Ubuntu is taking a strong visionary role just as Google has with Android, and I'm loving every minute of it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ba-da buh-ba-bum, I'm lovin' it™!

    This will be a rather interesting experiment. Already <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/145058.html" target="_blank">Fedora is taking an interest in it as well</a>.
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    It's interesting that Ubuntu is already balls deep in this and Fedora is only considering it still. In the past it's been the opposite (compiz, pulse audio, plymouth, kernel mode setting, etc)
     
  6. Overlord

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    Getting shot of X11 is a great step - I'm looking forward to seeing there they're going with this, even if I disagree with some of their UI choices of late (look at you, copying-Mac window buttons!)
     
  7. RamiroR

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    YES; YES; YES; THE LORD LISTENED TO ME (?
    Seriously, this is great news :D
     
  8. Ollie

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    <!--quoteo(post=526665:date=Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526665"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->YES; YES; YES; THE LORD LISTENED TO ME (?
    Seriously, this is great news :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I wondered if you had read this, since I remember your X11 rant.


    <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/nvidia-have-no-plans-to-support-wayland/" target="_blank">Anyway, looks like Nvidia aren't supporting the move...? </a>
     
  9. Techokami

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    <!--quoteo(post=526550:date=Nov 5 2010, 11:03 AM:name=Conan Kudo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Conan Kudo @ Nov 5 2010, 11:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526550"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This will be a rather interesting experiment. Already <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/145058.html" target="_blank">Fedora is taking an interest in it as well</a>.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Not too much of a surprise, <a href="http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-November/145059.html" target="_blank">as Wayland was started by a Red Hat employee.</a>
     
  10. RamiroR

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    <!--quoteo(post=527009:date=Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM:name=Ollie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ollie @ Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527009"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=526665:date=Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526665"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->YES; YES; YES; THE LORD LISTENED TO ME (?
    Seriously, this is great news :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I wondered if you had read this, since I remember your X11 rant.


    <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/nvidia-have-no-plans-to-support-wayland/" target="_blank">Anyway, looks like Nvidia aren't supporting the move...? </a>
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    There's still time, they might change their mind, or nouveau will get better. If neither of these happen, fuck you, I'll use Intel cards.
     
  11. Skaarg

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    Although it is great of Ubuntu to move to a better solution than X11. I'll stick with my original opinion that Unity is a terrible replacement for GNOME Panel.

    <!--quoteo(post=527027:date=Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527027"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=527009:date=Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM:name=Ollie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ollie @ Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527009"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=526665:date=Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526665"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->YES; YES; YES; THE LORD LISTENED TO ME (?
    Seriously, this is great news :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I wondered if you had read this, since I remember your X11 rant.


    <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/nvidia-have-no-plans-to-support-wayland/" target="_blank">Anyway, looks like Nvidia aren't supporting the move...? </a>
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    There's still time, they might change their mind, or nouveau will get better. If neither of these happen, fuck you, I'll use Intel cards.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sure this may work for you, but for anybody needing to do detailed 3D stuff or higher end gaming Intel cards or nouveau aren't options. The proprietary drivers are much better for gaming, and it's probably going to take nouveau a few years to get to where nVidia's drivers are. Just look how long it took ATI's open source drivers to get where they were and if I recall they even had help from ATI.
     
  12. libertyernie

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    This is probably a silly question, but will I still be able to use Xfce?
     
  13. Mad Echidna

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    <!--quoteo(post=527126:date=Nov 7 2010, 08:54 PM:name=Skaarg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Skaarg @ Nov 7 2010, 08:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527126"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Although it is great of Ubuntu to move to a better solution than X11. I'll stick with my original opinion that Unity is a terrible replacement for GNOME Panel.

    <!--quoteo(post=527027:date=Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527027"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=527009:date=Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM:name=Ollie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ollie @ Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527009"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=526665:date=Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526665"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->YES; YES; YES; THE LORD LISTENED TO ME (?
    Seriously, this is great news :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I wondered if you had read this, since I remember your X11 rant.


    <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/nvidia-have-no-plans-to-support-wayland/" target="_blank">Anyway, looks like Nvidia aren't supporting the move...? </a>
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's still time, they might change their mind, or nouveau will get better. If neither of these happen, fuck you, I'll use Intel cards.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sure this may work for you, but for anybody needing to do detailed 3D stuff or higher end gaming Intel cards or nouveau aren't options. The proprietary drivers are much better for gaming, and it's probably going to take nouveau a few years to get to where nVidia's drivers are. Just look how long it took ATI's open source drivers to get where they were and if I recall they even had help from ATI.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    >Implying that anyone who's serious about PC gaming doesn't just duelboot
     
  14. Skaarg

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    <!--quoteo(post=527225:date=Nov 8 2010, 10:27 AM:name=Mad Echidna)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mad Echidna @ Nov 8 2010, 10:27 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527225"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=527126:date=Nov 7 2010, 08:54 PM:name=Skaarg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Skaarg @ Nov 7 2010, 08:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527126"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Although it is great of Ubuntu to move to a better solution than X11. I'll stick with my original opinion that Unity is a terrible replacement for GNOME Panel.

    <!--quoteo(post=527027:date=Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 7 2010, 05:07 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527027"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=527009:date=Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM:name=Ollie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ollie @ Nov 7 2010, 06:19 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527009"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=526665:date=Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM:name=RamiroR)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RamiroR @ Nov 6 2010, 01:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=526665"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->YES; YES; YES; THE LORD LISTENED TO ME (?
    Seriously, this is great news :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I wondered if you had read this, since I remember your X11 rant.


    <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/nvidia-have-no-plans-to-support-wayland/" target="_blank">Anyway, looks like Nvidia aren't supporting the move...? </a>
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There's still time, they might change their mind, or nouveau will get better. If neither of these happen, fuck you, I'll use Intel cards.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Sure this may work for you, but for anybody needing to do detailed 3D stuff or higher end gaming Intel cards or nouveau aren't options. The proprietary drivers are much better for gaming, and it's probably going to take nouveau a few years to get to where nVidia's drivers are. Just look how long it took ATI's open source drivers to get where they were and if I recall they even had help from ATI.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    >Implying that anyone who's serious about PC gaming doesn't just duelboot
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    Firstly, lol duelboot. Battle of the operating systems!

    So you're saying people who want to game should just give up on Linux and pay Microsoft or Apple? 90% of people want one operating system that can do everything for them, try and teach those people that they should use Windows for gaming and then reboot their computer to Ubuntu when they want to do everything else. It'll sound stupid to them because it is stupid.

    People want platforms like Steam to come to linux, but it's people who say dual booting is easier or that crap like nouveau is fine for basic computer needs who ruin this opportunity. If you want an OS to succeed you have to make it work for anyone. Sure I may hate OS X and their overpriced hardware, but Apple learned this by making the push to make their stuff more appealing to everyone. They made it appealing to the younger generation (Mac vs PC commercials), they made it appealing to Gamers (Steam), the list goes on. If Ubuntu, and Linux as a whole, wants to succeed they have to make it appealing to a larger crowd and people have to get rid of the mentality that dual booting is easier because your really not contributing anything then.
     
  15. Mad Echidna

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    Dude I love Linux as much as the next guy but I also have my head far enough out of my ass to see that even with things like WINE and Crossover, Steam and popular games are still slower on most Linux distros, and the drivers for high end video cards are a mess.

    And who the fuck BUYS Windows anyway? Most people get it with their PC.
     
  16. Shadow Hog

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    <!--quoteo(post=527282:date=Nov 8 2010, 01:54 PM:name=Mad Echidna)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mad Echidna @ Nov 8 2010, 01:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527282"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And who the fuck BUYS Windows anyway? Most people get it with their PC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...people who don't rely on shitty premade manufactured computers and build theirs from scratch?
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=527284:date=Nov 8 2010, 10:57 AM:name=Shadow Hog)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shadow Hog @ Nov 8 2010, 10:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527284"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=527282:date=Nov 8 2010, 01:54 PM:name=Mad Echidna)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mad Echidna @ Nov 8 2010, 01:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527282"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And who the fuck BUYS Windows anyway? Most people get it with their PC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...people who don't rely on shitty premade manufactured computers and build theirs from scratch?
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    Oh right I forgot about that XD Since I'm not a PC gamer I didn't consider that.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=527284:date=Nov 8 2010, 06:57 PM:name=Shadow Hog)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shadow Hog @ Nov 8 2010, 06:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527284"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=527282:date=Nov 8 2010, 01:54 PM:name=Mad Echidna)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mad Echidna @ Nov 8 2010, 01:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=527282"><img src="public/style_images/retro/snapback.png"></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And who the fuck BUYS Windows anyway? Most people get it with their PC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->...people who don't rely on shitty premade manufactured computers and build theirs from scratch?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->…who think Microsoft need even more money. ;)
     
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    My best guess is that Ubuntu is jumping ship from the epic failure that Gnome 3 is going to be when released (likely due in spring as well). Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the Gnome UI. But the new shell concept is just crap for mainstream computing IMO. It's not nearly as intuitive, plus it takes more mouse clicks to do the simplest shit like switching applications. They should have gone with a major incremental upgrade (shit like being able to pin apps, along with some aesthetics) to bring it back up to par with Mac and Windows instead of thinking out of the box. Oh well, there's always KDE.

    This also explains why Linux Mint, my distro of choice, is in the process of parting ways with Ubuntu. They're likely not going to take the same route for their UI. I'm very curious what will happen with the next release. Either way, 2011 is going to be a very interesting year for the Linux desktop.
     
  20. RamiroR

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    So, any progress?