Sonic 4: Episode 2 Discussion

Maybe they could pull something similar to Sonic XG. Start the level/boss as Super Sonic, "win," and then something happens that knocks the Emeralds out of Sonic. Just a suggestion.

Though I kind of would save that for later episodes. Maybe.

 

You mean like in Sonic X?

 

You'll have to forgive me with that. I purged that it existed from memory because it was just so bad.

The only parts I remember usually deal with Shadow punching Chris in the face.

 

Lol thats the only thing that made the show worth it.

 

Well more so the fact is that Sonic would always be one short until he essentially gets the 7th back from Metal Sonic/Wherever...but it definitely wouldn't hurt to have the powers during a first level/act that is specifically designed for Super Sonic (I can already envision hacks to get regular Sonic into such a level).

 

It is episode 2, not a completely different game. An exception would fit well I think.

Sonic gave them away to restore South Island in Sonic 1.

Other than that, no, I can't recall any excuses for them to scatter except in Sonic X.

 

WHY is this emerald discussion still going on, making an excuse for him having the emeralds and losing them is INCREDIBLY dumb.

Just make Sonic not have the emeralds by the beginning of the game, you don't even need an explanation or anything, just like every other Sonic game except for Sonic 3


Why should you come up with a half-assed explanation for that? Just because it's episodic? Well, I collected all the Chaos Emeralds in Sonic 3, why didn't Sonic start off with them at Sonic & Knuckles?

 

If the Super Emeralds are involved, Sonic can't go super again without getting the super emeralds back. That's how it worked in Sonic 3K, so that's how it'd work here.

Come on, guys.

 

Episode 1 was great. It's about time they got on 2. Looking forward to seeing what kind of zones they cook up.

I personally hope they don't change much in the way of handling or physics, because it felt pretty good the first go around, and would lend to a more uniform experience. Imagine if Sonic & Knuckles had altered physics compared to 3.

 

They could've made it so you can control Sonic after rolling and jumping. Though that's about all I can think of.

 

I... I really can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, I mean that opinion is like the complete opposite of the average opinion this board has about S4EP1.

Anyway, I hope they fix the physics, the game wasn't unplayable for me but it certainly wasn't good either.

My opinion about the Homing attack:

Now, I doubt that Dimps (if they do develop EP2) will drop the homing attack, I don't want them to either, if anything, Sonic 1 Megamix proves that Sonic's 3D games abilities can work on a 2D Sonic game, there's no reason why Dimps can't tweak the homing attack so it can work well on a 2D game.

Now, them sticking with the homing attack will inevitably lead to homing attack chains, I'd personally prefer if they took a page from Sonic Adventure 2's rendition of Green Hill Zone, most of the homing attack chains there are not static, pre-placed, fodder enemies like the Bubbles, instead they are enemies with their own distinct behaviors that create the illusion of the homing attack chain being a mere accident of their own programming (as in, how Robotnik/Eggman programs them, not their *ACTUAL* programming)

This video for example (is the youtube tag working?), shows one of those chains.

The Buzz Bombers come towards the screen, giving you a chance to use a homing attack on both of them to get to the platform ahead, but, unlike the Bubbles in Sonic 4, the behavior the Buzz Bomber exhibits there seems far more natural, it's doing what its programmed to do, which is to patrol the area in search of Sonic and shoot him when found, but it had the bad luck of being within range of Sonic's homing attack.

It looks far more believable than having several chains of spikeless Bubbles casually hovering over bottomless pits.

 

If they keep the homing attack (which they most likely will) I hope they remove (or at least significantly shorten) the delay between homing attacks, and keep Sonic in ball form after a homing attack or jump dash. Having to use the homing attack instead of bouncing across the enemies feels too slow, and getting the timing right on the jump dash to have Sonic hit the enemy before uncurling without homing attacking it is a bit annoying.

 

If we get more Sonic R from it I'm game.

 

He did, if you had Sonic 3 locked on. =P

Sonic 4 is not the first episodic Sonic game, you know...

 

This is a very solid point. But, you can always look to Metroid for it's ridiculous ways of getting rid of Samus' gear at the beginning of every game, like stopping and STARING AT AN EXPLOSION.

My thoughts on the Super Emeralds are that they only exist for one reason -- Making the special stages after you lock Sonic 3 onto Sonic & Knuckles worth something. We'll likely never see them again, though if we do, I'll gladly take it.

Though, when talking about power items that we'll never see again, I'd always prefer to see a return of the Chaos Rings in all their redundancy.

 

If you want to be technical, they were locked away as dormant super emeralds if you had all of them.