9 Ways to improve the series

cool story bro


why don't you email sega

 

Didn't you just copy-paste all of that from Sonic Science?

Anyways, I pretty much agree with all of that stuff anyways.

 

I was pretty sure before I clicked on this topic that there would be at least one thing I wouldn't agree with. But I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here.

 

Sonic Science

This thread has now been rendered entirely pointless. :v:

 

I personally think that if you take any 3D Mario engine, replace him with Sonic, and up the speed by x2 or something, you'd get a good Sonic game.

There. I abridged it for you.

 

gee sure is :v: in here

 

You know, even the games in the series that everyone says are the best things to have graced the world of video gaming this side of Do You Like Horny Bunnies? had bottomless pits. Mario 64 had a ton of bottomless pits. The entire gimmick of Super Mario Galaxy is finding creative ways to work with bottomless pits. They just can't be the only obstacle.

Also, I loved SA's secondary gameplay, especially for Tails and Knuckles. Big's wasn't great, admittedly, but easy to beat unless you wanted those other emblems. Froggy is easy to catch.

I was so hoping for something that wasn't exactly the same as a copy-paste job from the previously-mentioned site.


However, rather than curse the darkness I will add 3 things that I think are just as, if not more important, taken in the perspective of the 3D titles.


1. Open environments. Sure, the hubs were usually pretty good at that sort of thing, but the levels much less so. Most, especially from SA2 onward, were single-track levels basically built like a roller coaster. Unfortunately this is the equivalent of taking a 2D level and just shifting the camera from the character's side to his behind. Very rarely in any game barring SA has that third dimension been used particularly well. Even levels like Speed Highway, which were full of forced speed and scripted sections, were somewhat enjoyable on account of the fact that their use of 3D meant that there were all sorts of hidden or perhaps unintended shortcuts, or in the case of Final Egg lots of secret areas.

2. Realistic physics for characters. Similar to "less scripted events" -- the idea is to make obstacles relate better to Sonic's controls. Loops in most of the games have absolutely nothing to do with any of the rest of the physics engines. I'm fine with the game helping me, say, stay in the center of the loop or even disabling my input during it, but for the love of god make the ability to actually run through the loop somehow connected to my current momentum. This is the big problem I have with Sonic Heroes, actually, that what would otherwise be a decent game is ruined by the fact that loops, fly formation, and rails all mess with how the characters work. Also I'm going to throw the crappy feeling that jumping has in Rush and Unleashed here too.

3. Tighter control. Very closely related to point 2 there, this is a complaint stemming from the fact that Sonic takes forever to slow down. Though his acceleration is remarkably high for some reason, his deceleration in the 3D titles, especially Unleashed is absolutely abysmal. Unfortunately this means that any time the player is taken through a section involving tighter platforming, the player is ill-equipped to handle it because the controls are too sensitive to speed that way. I'll throw Unleashed's truly abhorrent air maneuverability -- Heroes' was significantly better even despite fly formation being so glitchy and awkward --


Unleashed, on account of not being rushed to market in a horribly incomplete and unplayable state, generally improved significantly on point 2 compared to the few games that immediately proceeded it, at least in the 3D series, done well for 1 in the night stages, but damn if in the day stages and few bits here and there in the night stages the controls are still damn shoddy.

 

How is froggy easy to catch? I've always had trouble with that fgt

 

A lot of those bottomless pits could be replaced with good old-fashioned spike pits. Especially in early levels, where if the player can't manage to traverse an entire area without falling, they can at least make up for it by running the rest of the way across (while flashing). The penalty is lost rings.

 

10. Make them talking animals shut the fuck up. =P

 

Is it too late to play it like Zelda and Mario and have subtitled mutes with occasional gasps and squeals?

 

Why does this sound like a copy paste from that one site

Regardless, I completely agree.

 

I'm not entirely opposed to voice overs like everyone else seems to be, but I do agree that the story needs to take a back seat.

Unlike Unleashed which had to come up with a horribly contrived reason for Sonic to turn into his stupid Werehog self.

 

Interesting mishmash of points, if they had stuck with keeping everyone quiet like they did in Night of the Werehog, and kept it some silly simple reason that Sonic could turn into a werehog (fell into machine, for example), then the game would have been twice as good.

 

That made me smile.

I just wish there was less ripping off Casper and more of Sonic being his traditional fast and smug self.

 

Eww, that wouldn't float my boat. I hate 3D Mario, especially Galaxy.

 

I don't want to look like a stupid troll or a wannabe mod, but honestly, am I really the only one who sighs/facepalms/groans/eyerolls whenever I see ANOTHER topic about how to "fix" the series? I know, I know; nothing's forcing me to read or even post in those topics, but the fact remains that there's literally been countless topics like those, and even those that aren't entirely retarded are still based on nothing but opinions.

It's just a very irritating pet peeve of mine, and somehow I doubt I'm the only one annoyed by those.