The Sonic the Hedgehog Continuity Thread of Love and Timelines

Even so, there was some advanced civilization 4,000 years ago which had the technology to create Emerl. Chronicles' plot might not make much sense, but Ian's complaint doesn't either. That was the part I was not agreeing with.

 

I imagine Sonic the Fighters has been stealth retconned at this point since Bean and Bark have only appeared in antagonistic capacities in modern times and if these contradicted with SEGA’s vision, then I’m sure those appearances wouldn’t have occurred. I think it’s probably because their appearances in the Archie book actually made them into something, whereas their debut in StF had them as kind of nothing characters, created to pad out the roster.

 

I know the guy who asked this. We've been working on a timeline together with another guy and we've got a bunch of clever headcannons in there that fix a bunch of plotholes, but CD is proving to be oddly problematic. The definitive word that it's pre 2 though is helping us to get a better roadmap.

But yeah, Ian's answer and the entire thing surrounding the question is somewhat disheartening.

 

I'll agree that them not having access to the Chaos Emeralds is probably the weakest part of this, however I think it would make sense for the Knuckles to go bloodthirsty or even more so after seeing what the Nocturnus could do (and almost nearly did), and the events of the Alter being an example of what they're willing to do in an attempt to protect themselves after the fact.

When it comes down to it, most of the inconsistencies with Chronicles just boil down to being a fan's interpretation of the series largely unchanged by mandates, with fairly limited "deeper knowledge" of the franchise. (I don't think they had access to translations of Japanese strategy guides or the knowledge contained in them... I think they were doing good to have access to Sonic X artwork alone) but I think it's what makes it such an important part of Sonic, maybe not from a lore standpoint, but just in general.

 

He mentioned Heavy Shinobi's little animal as being conceptualized as a Ramen shop owner before it was determined that the little animals were on a different level of sentience, but didn't mention what animal he was.

Would it be a logical fanon assumption that Heavy Shinobi's animal was the little seal pup called Joe Sushi in early western media? Nice play on Joe Musashi of the Shinobi series.

 

Ian Flynn said that when he was writing the 30th Anniversary comic, Sega told him not to portray Bark as a bad guy or a ruffian. So instead they portrayed him as a decent guy who's hanging out with bad people, which is something Amy outright says in the story.



(13m 35s into the video.)

This was likely so as not to contradict Bark's character profile in the Fighters Megamix Official Guide (which itself is probably based upon internal documents they had since Sonic the Fighters), which says that Bark is gentle and shy.

 

Also to note, Sonic Drift is canon if SEGA have full control over all this:




So yeah, amma keep the Game Gear titles where they are.

 

I think Sega is going to shoehorn all the game gear titles into the "classic dimension" ignoring plot inconsistencies. Which is fine by me, since we already ignore that nonsense in Sonic 3's manual about the Chaos Emeralds.

 

Man, Ian is really bent on making the Hooligans a thing

 

Not too shocking given he's basically the reason anyone who didn't grow up in the Classic Era even knows who they are[/QUOTE]

 

Interesting, I wasn't aware of this. I do think it has worked out quite well though. Bark was always the least enthusiastic of the Hooligans in the Archie book and I certainly think the spin on him we were given in Seasons of Chaos added a bit more depth to the character. Ultimately, I wouldn't want to see him be a protagonist because I think being this gold hearted guy who's just in with the wrong crowd is what defines Bark.

 

I just find the extents he's going through to keep his Hooligans thing while complying with Sega's demands amusing. "You see, he's a good guy, he just hangs out with wrongdoers!"

And yes, it was an improvement over his Archie characterization, which I always found bland (at least from the stories I read).

 

He said it was a note he received. The plot would have been submitted to Sega for approval, then the script would have been submitted for approval. At one of those stages he got the note from Sega about Bark. Sega didn't have an issue with him teaming up with Fang and Bean in general, just how his personality was depicted.

It's more efficient to make the small tweak Sega asked for, rather than change the plot entirely in order to split the trio up (which Ian had no interest in doing in the first place) and go through the entire approval process again.

 

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I grew up in the dark era and I knew who they were without Ian's help lol

 

I agree that the Battle tie-in didn't make sense, but I always saw the Knuckles clan as more advanced than people take them for.

Angel Island does seem to be filled with some advanced technology like the teleporters in Sky Sanctuary, the Windy Valley/Ice Cap/Lost World keys, the gravity panels in Lost World, spinning tops in Marble Garden etc etc.

Ancient civilizations at least to me in Sonic operate on a "Castle in the Sky" (and other works of fiction) level, so I can see what Bioware was trying to do with the Nocturne clan creating the gizoids to fight against the Knuckles clan strength and somewhat advance technology.

 

My interpretation kind of comes at the cost of still keeping them back in that traditionally ancient civilization ideology. That is, that they WERE less technologically advanced than the Nocturnes, but because the Nocturnes dissapeared they were left unchecked and started to do terrible things in the name of "peace", before all the shenanigans with Perfect Chaos happened. After this is when they started to learn how to create and utilize the mystical technology to fortify Angel Island as best they could until their blood thinned out.

Although this interpretation would leave something like Lost World at a weird spot.

 

What if the Knuckles' tribe 4,000 were advanced and the leader was called Pachamac but not that Pachamac from Adventure 1? And they fought the Nocturnus Clan, shit happened, and 1,000 years later they were very less advanced because of that and then the Chaos' rampage happened?

 

Basically, did they nuke themselves back to the Aztec era and not learn from that?

 

Might've lost the literature of the time and entered a dark age to be fair. It's certainly complicating the issue with concepts that are more highbrow than Sonic as a series usually engages in but it's a viable headcanon imo.

 

Human nature in a nutshell.