More Michael Jackson/Sonic 3 shinanigans

That was all it was? How boring!

The point is, to my knowledge, to prove that he actually worked on music used in the game. I doubt it requires him to make these noises.

 

The lack of response to this thread is absolutely ridiculous. This is a huge breakthrough! What is wrong with you guys?

I've got to say, though, that this raises more questions than it answers. If MJ was involved—and he obviously was—then to what extent did his work remain in-game? It's obvious the drum samples are his doing, for sure, but what songs are "his"? All of them? The tracks removed in S3&K PC?

It's like we've gone full circle with this whole thing. Our original theories were that the songs were changed in the PC version due to legal reasons, and we spent the last couple of years beating around the bush in that regard. Now we're right back to it. Is there even a concrete answer to this whole debacle? The mind boggles.

I remember in another topic we made the comparison of "Happy Birthday Lisa" to this situation, in the sense that it set a precedent for MJ contributing anonymously to various forms of media. I think that's a rather plausible explanation for all of this, but it'd be nice to hear some other opinions in that regard.

 

I'm glad this topic came up again cuse holy crap x.x it's taken me for a spin.

First I spotted the whole topic of MJ working on Sonic 3 music, and then I saw that video documentary on youtube by Qjimbo which was really good. And after that I started looking more and more at MJ's stuff and now I've become a total MJ fan!

Anyway, the Jam clip I remember reading about and is some seriously solid evidence that MJ was involved, but I'm not so sure about those other two clips. They sound pretty generic really.

For one, the glass shattering sound seems different compared to the one heard in the MJ clip. Although it does sound like there's a bit of background music mixed in with it which does sound like it came from In the Closet

The second clip, sound of beat-boxing does sound a little more solid, but it still seems rather generic. I could probably make a similar sound myself.

However, if you're suggesting these clips are part of the musical composition, I would say that it's a reasonable link between MJ and Sonic 3. Even if the sounds in Sonic 3 aren't taken directly from MJ songs, it would make sense that MJ would use similar sounds for his other songs. For example, the glass breaking sound is also used in the beginning of Jam. Well, not the EXACT same sound, but the fact that he uses it in more than one song makes it part of his style.

All together, nice research. I can't imagine how hard you needed to listen to all these samples to find this. But hey ;] least you got to listen to plenty of MJ music while doing it.

EDIT: Also, been a bit since I last posted. Hey again guys! =)

 

I frankly think the whole 'leap forward' in sonic 3 and knuckles is because of Michael Jackson. I still see him as a human being, and a talented one at that. Also, since we're on the Topic of MJ, I think he was involved in sonic heroes' developement as well, in hang castle, when you're upside down you can hear MJ doing his 'Ohhh' and 'Ch' sounds...I'll make a topic when I'm arsed to do so.

 

About a week ago, I realized that I had heard an MJ song that contained parts of him singing something that was similar to the main melody of Angel Island act 1 (the part where the Sonic 3 credits medley that never made it in the final starts).

I sometimes think MJ is a robot because of watching things like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arNAyvPJ6Yw


Either way, I think I just fell in love with him, in a non gay way.

 

Hey, for that matter has anyone noticed that the whistling sound heard in Stranger in Moscow is similar to one heard in Sonic Adventure in the some of the ruins areas?

EDIT: Scratch that. I remember the whistle a little different then it actually was ^.^;

EDIT 2: For more clarification on the glass breaking sound, I took a sample from the actual song "In the Closet" and sound sample A1 and out them side by side in Audacity. This is what they look like when set to the same rate (obviously, I lowered the song sample to match A1):



Obviously, the clip from the game is compressed, and mixed with higher bass and made to sound the way they wanted in the game. However, the sound is extremely similar and the waveform is very similar as well. I'd say it's pretty solid that the clips are definitely one in the same.

 

<!--quoteo(post=194763:date=May 13 2008, 05:11 PM:name=Spex Bluefox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Spex Bluefox @ May 13 2008, 05:11 PM)

Obviously, the clip from the game is compressed, and mixed with higher bass and made to sound the way they wanted in the game. However, the sound is extremely similar and the waveform is very similar as well. I'd say it's pretty solid that the clips are definitely one in the same.[/quote]


It doesn't get any more official than that. I think that erases the last remaining bit of doubt about this sound effect.

I only have one question left though. Why did they use what was to become Stranger in Moscow for Sonic 3's credits? I wish that they said something in ADDITION to signify that this was only the end of Part One. Getting left with non-level music credits was a bit dissapointing w/o an explanation.

 

I think the fact alone that they replaced the end credits normal "level remix" with something original helps the argument that it's MJ's music really. Just based on the fact that it's a sudden change. If they had continued with MJ doing the music (assuming he ever stopped) and advertised it, the credits song would have made more sense.

 

Forgive me if this sounds ridiculous, I'm just throwing it out here.. Why not try to find a way to contact Michael Jackson, and just ask him upfront about what his involvements were in Sonic 3's music, somewhat like how Craig Stitt or Brenda Ross were about their work in Sonic 2? Of course, it may be somewhat of a challange to do so, but as anyone ever tried?

 

Yes, I've been curious as to whether or not anyone's tried this.

 

Well he will be releasing a new album this year. There could be some PR events around that would give us a chance. If he takes a tour for this album, it'd be killer to get back-stage tickets or something and see him =)

 

Wow, me too!

Right, HOW MANY OF US DOES THIS ALSO APPLY TO =P

I always thought it odd that the songs that didn't use the generic "S3 drums" were cut from the PC version, and until seeing Qjimbo's YouTube vid, I somehow thought the drums in themselves were the reason for this; I don't know whether I'm retreading old ground, but doesn't the S3 midboss theme actually contain a "Ooooooh!" (Which precedes "Come on!") sample that sounds like MJ? It is low quality (As you'd expect from a DAC vocal sample) however.

 

It's been mentioned before, but I do wounder why it's not brought up more often.

EDIT: On a side note, I redid the album cover to Thriller for an Adobe Illustrator project.



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