The Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Megathread

And the fact that Tails was invincible made it seem more like a cool hidden feature than a proper co-op mode. I seriously doubt an online co-op mode in Sonic 4 would be anything like having a second player play as Tails, so I don't think it's worth bringing up the comparison.

 

Which is why you, the seasoned veteran Sonic player, humbly play as Tails, letting your inexperienced friend play as Sonic. You get to keep up, they get helped, everybody wins.

But everyone wins more with online co-op, of course. :v:

 

It was in the manual. It was hardly hidden.




I don't think anyone played Advance 3's Co-Op mode. That shit was fun.

Whatever the case, at the very least the game needs to have a versus mode at some point.

 

It wasn't quite as pronounced in the European manual :v:

 

I was just watching the Splash Hill Act 2 E3 video, and I found at one point Spin Dash momentum was required to reach a high vine-swinging shortcut. The level design in my opinion is good in terms of routes, but contains bad enemy placement. However, from the looks of things playing through the game with a mate would be a blast! (Please Sega/Dimps, let Episode 2 lock with Ep1 for multiplayer).

 

Co-op needs to be there as much as an online vs, I never liked Sonic 2s VS mode anyway. First player is a cheap bitch in the special stages and if debug mode is on, everywhere else. Not to mention they were too complicated. I made it to the end before a friend on an emulator and still lost because I didn't have a lot of rings. That was stupid, it's a race, you can't just punish someone for not slowing down.

Hopefully they do something to tone down first player if they add that ability and make the races less complicated.

Online co-op could be really cool in Sonic 4 just because now not only would second player be able to have vulnerability and collect rings, but be able to go off on their own. I would like it if there was a requirement for both players to finish the level for the level to end though so the co-op is actually required. Plus, maybe Sonic could do something to make him less underpowered that Tails could rely on for once. Maybe even make the characters selectable instead of have first be Sonic and second be Tails by default, like have first be Tails and second be Sonic since I expect they will try to make it more balanced.

@Chimpo: I played '06's co-op with someone, I actually thought it was cheap how Silver could hurt other players. >_> No friendly fire, that was crap. And the character select was too limited considering, Silver aside, everyone had the exact same abilities. My hope is that different abilities become a focus for Sonic 4 if online co-op is possible.

I'm not so optimistic for local co-op since I no longer have anyone to play with IRL, everyone I know plays strategic RPGs or FPS games and the people Iknow who would play online with me have trouble connecting with emulators (as well as SRB2, which has an awesome co-op.) so Sonic 4 having an online co-op would be helpful and welcome to some of us.

Especially since not everyone is competitive.

Seconded, it would give me a reason to actually buy Episode 1.

 

Jump.

Then don't put debug on. It's a cheat, so it's no wonder it messes up the game.

This I agree with. I don't mind the way they did it, but I'd like an option to have it based on time only, or rings only, or score only; not on the combination of those plus other things.

First player needs no toning down.

You mean so each player has his own screen? Sounds good.

Damn, you foiled my secret hack.

 

If sonic 4 has versus it has to be made like sonic 2's, it was an actual level with 5 different tasks making an outcome such as total rings, held rings at finish, first to finish, most badnik points (bounding between badniks for that point bonus was handy) and most monitors smashed, so it was more then just first to the end which I loved about it.

Sonic 2's xbla online is laggy as shit if you don't play someone in your region but it's fun, if only tails wasn't laggy it would have been just like the old days where me and a friend would play 2 player on my megadrive, I was gutted when sonic 3 took the dull route of tiny looped time trial tracks using tiny assets with choppy animations and a non gliding knuckles who was a sonic reskin.

*Edit* jumping in the special stages made you move forward or backwards depending, you had to plan your actions well if you wanted the lead for rings.

Sonic 2's MP is so underrated

 

an online co-op would be awesome so each player has their own screen. I hated being a powerless tails with sonic running me off the screen. I'm sure sega is already thinking about how to implement a new 2 player mode for the future episodes

 

And when you jump, so does first player, so it becomes a spamming the jump button contest. If you like that sort of thing, good for you, but I like to not feel totally cheated by the devs just because I hate one character and like the other. >.>

But if they added a VS mode and a co-op mode, I would never use the VS mode anyway. The whole "It takes strategy to win!" crap is why, it takes strategy not because it was designed with it in mind, but because one player is totally cheated and needs to make up for it, how about some fairness for a change?

I think the focus was on co-op for Sonic 3, I can barely remember its VS because I didn't give a shit to even try. The main game was the shit so I never cared. But I hope they make it more interesting than it was, though Azure Lake has some awesome music.

 

This is a problem if you keep on jumping, there are many way around it like jump a few times so they do and then don't jump, most of the time they will jump due to reaction also run around the pipe and jump from the top, it's much quicker and you can surprise people with it.

I tell you what, I don't think I ever lost an online battle on xbla in the special stages

 

I wish people still played Sonic 2 online in XBLA. I love it, but my friends don't and I can never find a match online, leaving me stuck with all but one of the achievements.

 

I'll play online if you like. Gamertag's in sig.

 

Believe me, I would love to. But the way the game works, with my connection, whoever's not hosting the game suffers epic lag—not exactly the fairest playing field. I had to get a friend to play with me specifically for the purpose of us both intentionally losing however many games it took for us each to get the Achievements. -.-'

Giving Sonic 4 a versus mode at any point would be awesome, and a great way to add longevity to the game. I just hope the online mode functions better than Sonic 2's.

 

For some reason Sonic 2 has very noticeable controller lag, even with a wired controller. I find it difficult to play properly, and difficult to get the "beat the game in under an hour" achievement, which I can do no problem on an emulator.

 

Ok, I just watched a "compromising" spoiler of a video (but it doesn't make me want Sonic 4 any less, now I'm even MORE excited).

Seeing what I have seen, without giving anything away...I have one turd of a question....Sonic 4 happened before Chaotix...right?

 

I believe it occurred around the same time. By Sonic 4, Knuckles went away and Chaotix began. For Tails, Tails Adventure or whatever occurred. Of course this is all speculation as we don't really know what happened with them until we see the full game.

 

You seem to be forgetting about Robotnik, who is in both Chaotix and 4.

 

Chaotix probably takes place after Sonic 4. And I believe Tails Adventure predates Tails meeting Sonic. But Sonic 4 takes place after everything in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Knuckles' story included

 

+ - Well, considering that Metal Sonic is showing to appear in Episode 2, and that he was also in Chaotix; maybe Robotnik was taking on one problem with another back-to-back and didn't wanna waste time switching robots? Although that seems to be me thinking a little to hard on the subject :v: