Possible Somari creator.

I noticed the shared sounds between Kart Fighter and Somari a while ago.

I never actually bothered to investigate more though.

 

Ah yes, I've also noticed that the two pics you compared the bridge to, have the same BG bricks as well, still I'm not too sure about this, I mean couldn't anyone have copied art from Super Mario World (NES) to Kart Fighter other than Hammer Team? Anything's possible right?

 

Wow, you just totally killed this topic.... XD

(Of course as hinted by the "XD" I'm kidding.)

 

Yeah, I know, there's a Jester on the end of my name for a reason ya know =P

 

You know, you could have credited the site you just stole all of this from without making it look like you were responsible for all of the text AND the pics.

http://torp.110mb.com/gamesomari.html

Sadly it appears to suddenly be down, but still, what are you trying to do here?

 

I can't wait to see the TSSZ article on this.

 

Is anything even known about hummer team other than that they made some pirate nes games?

 

No worries—it was <a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:wYQcYpS9iCAJ:torp.110mb.com/gamesomari.html+gamesomari.html&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank">cached by Google</a> (thanks, GerbilSoft!)

Save for the images, which are a moot point and don't detract from the main point that the post is trying to get across... what exactly is stolen here? The exact text that he has used in his post returns no results on Google, and I don't see one single mention of the name "Hummer Team" on that entire page.

Before trying to accuse other people of being thieves, then try doing your own research first. You're the one who ended up looking like a pretentious dickhead here.

 

:v:

As far as Hummer goes, they possible could have gone on with helping in the development of a lot of Genesis pirates that are out there. They've made some games like Earthworm Jim 3 for NES that contain a hidden logo by that looks like a K surrounded by stars, and that same graphic is accessible in Barver Battle Saga by holding a+b+c+start at the title. So who knows

 

This is the best internet research I have seen in years.

EDIT: who the fuck capitalized my post

 

Well, evidently I'm not remembering which page it was that had that same image and text. But I am 100% sure I've seen all that text and those images(exactly) elsewhere, and it was to my best of memory from that site. The site had other pages that covered this stuff as well, but as it's down I'm having a heck of a time even finding exactly which page it was. I'll have to look more...

Of all the times for the site to go down :/

Edit: Well, I was right about one thing, I did see at least one of those pics before, this one http://i40.tinypic.com/123bjeo.png
KingPepe posted it at the RX Community here... http://s1.zetaboards.com/The_RX_Community/topic/1243710/1/

And this was back in February. So I guess he may not have stolen it after all, though I seem to remember all of that text and also the additional pics being together on some site somewhere talking about Hummer making Somari. Can you help me out and tell me if I'm remembering this right, KingPepe?

Of course I'm sorry NOW, but when I first saw this and remembered seeing it I just assumed it was all taken from elsewhere since I didn't memorize the name of the person who put it up.

 

Oh wow, I'm popular. Unfortunately out of the 17 servers that 110MB has, my site's stored on the 16th, which seems to go down quite a lot.


The problem with pirates is they don't just steal graphics from official games, they steal graphics from each other too. Anything they can get their hands on, really, and there are hundreds of pirate ROMs out there that haven't been dumped, nevermind the fact nobody knows when half of them were released. The other problem is that people conducting research into these things don't have a central "hub" in which to obtain info, so there's all sorts of people sprouting out random theories about things with no knowledge of information that's been discovered by someone else. Because of this my site gets outdated every few months, as does most others that cover pirate games.

That cloud is actually from Mario & Wario for the SNES, as are a lot of backgrounds from Kart Fighter. As for the bridge and the lava... well they're very similar but there's nothing to say they haven't been taken from the same game. There's clearly been some editing between the two for whatever reason. Maybe because the SMW NES's palettes are all over the place, but maybe because the journey between 16-bit and 8-bit was different between the two games.

Super Mario World on the NES is definately made by Hummer Team - they have their little logo in the sky in some of the levels and of course that cheat that brings you to their ugly logo. But SMW NES's graphics are waaay off - I don't think a lot of it was ripped straight from the SNES game (maybe because the technology didn't exist?) but instead based on physical photographs of gameplay. The title screen for example - it looks like the Japanese SMW logo but it's been stretched for whatever reason. If it had been ripped, they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble. As SNES displays need to be resized for 4:3 TVs... well yeah.

see what I mean

As for Somari... if it's made by Hummer Team then it pre-dates their little logo because it can't be found anywhere in the ROM (unless it's compressed or something... though no other graphics are). As my obscure ripping project states, there was likely a game before "Somari" just called "Mario" but without a ROM nobody can say. I can only go off leftover graphics and I don't know how much was scrapped. Good to know there is a code for DKC4 though - I had a feeling it would exist

Oh and any "K"s are from a totally different company as far as I can make out.

This one in fact

of course you could always ring and find out =P

But then again it does get really confusing because they made Donkey Kong Country 2 on the NES, and inside that there's this

and lo and behold the "Family" is in the introduction to Family Kid - a Somari clone

so basically it's a big mystery. You've seen how pirate carts often have different labels - there's nothing to say they weren't all distributed by different companies too. It's not like it would stand up in court: "Pirate x sues pirate y because pirate y stole pirate x's work which in itself is illegal because it's a pirate"

also you never know - there might be one company distrubuting the stuff in mainland china, another in hong kong, and another in south america or something


though it's cool that my little side project got noticed

 

I have nothing to do today, maybe I'll look into world heroes 2 or something.

or Fatal fury 2

 

Well again it could just be a big funky hack - there are a lot of NES fighting games all using very simlar engines and sounds and not all of them have Hummer Team's mark. The thing is that the majority of games by Hummer Team insist on having "COPYRIGHT HUMMER TEAM" or that logo plastered somewhere - neither is obvious in Kart Fighter, which means it either pre-dates it or Hummer Team spared it for whatever reason.

but again there's not a lot to go by. Mortal Kombat 2 on the NES is built almost identically to Kart Fighter and that's been picked up and changed by numerous people. It's a closer match than any of the ones you mentioned and coincidentally that has no obvious author either.

Sifting through Mortal Kombat pirates is something I need to do at some point but the problem is there are so damned many. There's at least three versions of Mortal Kombat 2 alone, and several others share music and yeah. World Heroes 2 that's been mentioned was supposedly developed by a team called "Cony" and I have a feeling that engine's been recycled also.

 

Okay following my reply where I said "Sifting through Mortal Kombat pirates is something I need to do at some point", I went on a download spree and scored 13 different Mortal Kombat pirates which I'm writing up about very slowly now

And then I found KingPepe is almost right


This is from a clone called "Mortal Kombat III Special". It has a sister called "Mortal Kombat II Special". They're MK2 ports to the NES and they use the same engine as Kart Fighter (though spiced up a bit as these characters have more moves). Though it doesn't directly link it up to Kart Fighter it does suggest that Hummer Team had the engine at one point because there's their little logo!

 

I didn't know you were registered here too Black Squirrel!

Well, forgetting the mix up earlier and getting back to this stuff, I'll just post this pic here that I did at the RX forum:


I'm guessing it's likely that a lot of pirates didn't necessarily colaberate on all of these projects, but rather it's some sort of possible joke they were doing where they show the logos of other known companies around the same time. I mean, considering the amount of logos located in one rom alone, I'd find it hard to believe they all had a part in the making of it. Either that or everyone built their games off roms of games form other companies, and thus inserting their logo it started turning into a whole mess of logos...?

I don't think there's a simple answer for this :p