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Market research involving a Megadrive Flashcart

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  1. drx

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    I would like to ask anybody interested in Megadrive homebrew and/or hacking some questions relating to a possible product / line of products. As this is serious, please answer honestly.

    The product(s) in question is a Megadrive flashcart, with features such as:

    * full and only USB support (uploading and downloading the contents of the flashcart using a USB cable, the cart will appear as a mass storage device to most PCs with USB support)

    * from 128 Megabytes to 1 Gigabyte of Flash memory (I haven't decided on that yet, I need to do heavy research on the costs involved, I might release separate products if say, the cost of 1 GB memory is significantly higher than 256 MB and so on)

    * SRAM support

    * possibly bank switching support?

    * the firmware will be upgradable either through me (which is more possible) or by uploading it to the cart (less possible). Note that upgrading the firwmare shouldn't be necessary, it's just a feature that I thought I'd like to implement

    Also note that the reason why I'm asking for demand for certain price groups is not to simply sell for the highest price possible, but rather check if there is enough demand to get more cash from it than the costs.


    The questions:

    Would you:

    * buy a 128MB flashcart for $50
    * buy a 128MB flashcart for $75
    * buy a 128MB flashcart for $100

    * buy a 256MB flashcart for $50
    * buy a 256MB flashcart for $75
    * buy a 256MB flashcart for $100

    * buy a 512MB flashcart for $50
    * buy a 512MB flashcart for $75
    * buy a 512MB flashcart for $100

    * buy a 1GB flashcart for $50
    * buy a 1GB flashcart for $75
    * buy a 1GB flashcart for $100

    Any suggestions and/or questions are warmly welcome.
     
  2. Cinossu

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    Personally, $50 for 256mb, $75 for 512mb, $100 for 1gb. For 128mb.. eh, mayhaps $40. :x
     
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    Personally I'd buy a 128mb cart for $40, a 256mb cart for $60 and 1gb for $80.

    But with the only choices being 50, 75, and 100, I'd buy:

    128MB Cart for $50
    256MB Cart for $75
    1GB Cart for $100
     
  4. Tweaker

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    I agree with these prices.
     
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  6. Hivebrain

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    1GB for $100 seems reasonable.
     
  7. Mr. Fox

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    What type of memory will that flashcart use? NAND is very cheap actually, and NDS flashcarts, equipped with 2Gb of NAND flash memory cost only around 40 bucks. So, yeah, I won't buy a flashcart for more than 50 bucks.
     
  8. drx

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    It is not possible to manufacture, equip, assemble, package, ship a board in such small quantities (it's a small market, I don't expect the demand to be higher than 50 in 5 years =P) for $10, even if you theoritically buy those nands in such small quantities too.
     
  9. OrdosAlpha

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    I agree with these prices. Although, for the 128MB cart I'd suggest $30-40.
     
  10. Wurly

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    Yes. There's a slight possibility that I might just be interested (Of course I'm interested).

    How exactly would you go about doing this though?
     
  11. drx

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    I don't want to reveal anything before I actually make a working prototype. I should have some free time in summer, at least enough to pull this out. I have the general concept in my mind, and I'm tweaking various aspects of it as I find new options and ICs (there's so many to choose from, it's bizarre!).

    What I have in mind is this - a flash memory chip controlled by a microcontroller that would act as a mass storage device to the PC when the device is connected to a USB host, and would emulate a cartridge when connected to the Megadrive. I won't bore you with details, as they are going to change probably anyway.
     
  12. Mr. Fox

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    Just a thought. Chinese guys at www.neoflash.com are making a lot of flashcarts for many systems. They made several ones for MD as well, and still developing some. The guys are really great to their community. Not to mention that they often have competitions with prizes and stuff, but they also listen to great ideas, which people suggest. They made several flashcarts in alliance with other people, who had great ideas/programming skills/schemes. You may team up with them. You'll provide a working scheme (an USB megadrive flashcart is actually not that easy to pull off), and they'll manufacture it and the cart will have popularity because of their brand. Dr.Neo is the leader of the team, he speaks good English, you may contact him.

    Well, that's just a thought. I think you better team up with somebody for this, maybe with those guys, maybe with other people.
     
  13. drx

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    I'm grateful for the suggestion, actually.

    As for Neoflash - I have mixed feelings about them. From what I've heard, they make crappy NDS flashcarts. Not that I base my opinion on somebody's else, but I'm waiting for almost a year for my MD flashcart to arrive :P

    As for teaming up - as much as it would be nice to use somebody's else experience and help, I more want to do this as a personal project, as I think this is a really nice challenge, especially to someone who never did anything like this before. I already learned a ton of stuff just by scheming the thing up, who knows what else awaits :(

    The USB thing shouldn't be a problem - USB supplies +5V voltage, the same as Megadrive does. The main problem would be to write the USB driver, but I already have some pseudocode ready for that (that USB specification doc is a huge brick, hundreds of pages...).

    As for competitions and stuff like that - if this thing actually works and I end up manufacturing some units, I'm gonna either make a hacking/homebrew competition or sponsor one. Or something like that. But yea, I was planning to do something like that, it's just a bit awkward to say all those things now, because if I don't end up finishing this, people will be disappointed =P
     
  14. Vincent

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    Hi everyone,

    I thank the entire S2B community for all the wonderful Sonic hacks that keeps me visiting S2B pages everyday since 2003.
    Also, as a potential buyer of a decent megadrive flashcart, I want to suggest whatever company will produce this, some important key features that needs to be included:

    1)SD card support or CF

    Flash memory can't hold more than a few big roms.
    So if I want to put in all my Sonic hacks, SOR3, Wonderboy IV and other roms that's not possible.
    Not to mention if Flash memory has problems (TOTOTEK anyone?)the cart is useless.
    External memory is the best choice because of the lower price to build the item and the possibility to buy or change the memory by user's desire, removing all black death clouds around Flash memory.

    2)USB only devices

    So much faster and better.
    Why bother for a crappy parallel port when most of computer does not have it?


    3)Possibility to emulate SEGA-CD RAM &/or CDX

    It would be so nice for all MEGA-CD users like me.



    4)Price
    I'll pay 150$ for a device that has all of the above listed key features.


    See ya
     
  15. SMTP

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    I'm somewhat interested, of course I have no money though... lol. :P
     
  16. drx

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    You do realize that CF is Compact Flash? =P

    Anyway, I don't see the problem with 'having problems'. I'll test all the units before sending them, and the user will have a warranty for some time, if the cart becomes faulty for some reason.

    Anyway, 1GB is enough to hold 256 4MB ROMs. And not every ROM is 4MB anyway.

    In my opinion, external memory is more hassle than it's worth really, you're never gonna need more than 1-2 GB anyway with Megadrive, and you need to have a card reader, etc etc. Internal memory is so much easier than that.

    Hmm, I've never thought about that. I don't even know how this works, I'd have to look it up. And about CDX - you mean CDX RAM?
     
  17. Vincent

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    As I know 1 Gigabit is about 128 Megabytes, so it could hold only 32 4MB ROMS.
    Having owned 2 defective TOTOTEK carts, always having flash memory problems I still prefer SD or Compact Flash external memories as they are so much more reliable.

    Look at NDS M3 adapter: It is cheap, fast data transfer and you can write ROMS with a simple memory card reader.
    Also if your SD (or CF) goes faulty you can simply buy another memory for so few money.


    Sega CD RAM cart is the cart to hold up Sega-CD saves,
    CDX is a particular cart that bypass region checks of SEGA-CD (very hard to find nowadays)


    Oh, Drx I just forgot to thank you for the Sonic 2 Nick arcade and the other prototypes you have on your site!!
    That's really amazing stuff!! :D
    Thanks
     
  18. drx

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    Oh, no, I meant 1 GB as in 1 Gigabyte, so 1024 Megabytes.

    Shouldn't be hard to implement, assuming the design is not terribly different from a standard MD cart. I'll look into it.

    Thanks.
     
  19. 87th

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    I'm really interested in this, and would most certainly buy a cart (or maybe even two!)

    I find emulators quite unsatisfying sometimes, so being able to play hacked ROMs on my Megadrive would be ideal. :(
     
  20. Rika Chou

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    Any plans for a ROM dumping feature? Could be a big selling point.
     
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