The Sonic the Hedgehog Continuity Thread of Love and Timelines

Sorry about that.

Back on topic, do we know if Mania is still set right after S3K? Because that would make it the earliest appearance of Fang (whether he was real or an illusion) timeline-wise, now that the GG games are set after the mainline classic games.

 

It looks like Mania is now the last Classic game in the timeline, if I understood correctly.

And I asked Ian when was the first time (game) Sonic met Fang, he avoided answering.

 

Interesting.

Guess it makes sense to set it later in the timeline, considering it featured so many classic characters.

 

So far it’s 1/CD/2/3K, then everything else, then Mania. I’m willing to bet Superstars and any following games will be post Mania.

 

3:36 - Looking at how Frontiers confirmed TSR canon to the Modern continuity, I have to ask. Is the events from Sonic Colors DS the canon one since Mother Wisp is in the game as the one generating the tracks for a stage, or is it just a “don’t worry, be happy” kind of thing where the events more or less happen in a way that both endings are canon?

It is canon enough. (...) Ultimately, insofar as there was a Mother Wisp, and Super Sonic reverted her back to normal yes. That is part of the greater lore. Now, whether all the other characters showed up at the amusement park as it does in DS, or not, that I think is a bit fuzzy, but it's also not critical to the core elements of the story.

 

I'm not a huge fan of canon events representing a particular game being nebulous to the point we don't know if specific characters were present or not. Perhaps it's not critical as Ian says, but it's still more satisfying to know that the specific game I'm playing happened the way I experienced it. I guess it's not really an issue currently since there isn't any disparity between console and handheld versions of recent titles, but still.

 

https://xcancel.com/SSF1991/status/1671287860413046785
guess my sentiment is mutual

 

Edit: I guess to add just a little bit of conversation to this, tbh I think it's a losing battle to try to keep everything perfectly together, especially when both Forces and Mania are in the picture. My wish will always be to see some of the "Classic" characters get to "grow into" the ones modern characters always got to be, but if pre-generations Classic entries are just going to be "The Past" to Modern Sonic and "The Present" to new Classic Sonic games with no "The Future", then whatever.

 

It’s always possible he misspoke or was mistranslated. Or Superstars is a timeline branch.
I tried listening to Iizuka in the interview but the interpreter is talking over him at that part.

 

I'm assuming he's talking about the game taking place inside the cyber thing, and got mistranslated. Otherwise it makes no sense.

 

He could've meant different "timelines" as in Superstars isn't going to be connected to Frontiers in the weird spacetime way Forces was to Mania.

Wouldn't surprise me though if they're still doing the split just to delineate classic and modern Sonic despite the fact there's no actual point in the games where the two are delineated. But whatever, I have the feeling they're gonna make me keep coping about this. I would be perfectly fine with them just coming out and saying there's a timeline split where Eggman either creates the Hard-boiled Heavies or finds Chaos, either way just stop pretending SA1 is a reboot please.

 

There's actually someone treating SA1 as a first reboot of the franchise? Seriously?
At the time, it was clearly a direct sequel to S3K (as far as we can tell), not reboot.
People gotta stop using the aesthetic makeover as an excuse for whatever reasons.
Still, I usually state that SA1 could serve as excuse for a classic games 3D retelling.
At the end of the day, the franchise's a mess and SEGA has trouble dealing with it...

 

two separate brands having two separate timelines really isn't a difficult concept to stomach so i'm not surprised this is how they go about it

 

I would love to see a timeline chart by Iizuka, not for official reasons or whatever, but for comedic reasons. Just imagine the craziness it would include like including Sonic X in the timeline and having the games take place across two planets, and random contradictions to recent media like TailsTube. It would be a hilarious read for sure.

 

(Unrelated to the topic at hand, but) said amazing article is now available in English on SUPERJUMP. I recommend it to everyone who got interested in that talk about Sonic as Myth vs. Sonic as Story.

Also in a way I think Sonic Superstars confirms this line of thinking. The fact that it's set in North Islands in the same way Sonic 1 took place in South Island, Sonic 2 took place in West Island and Sonic 3 & Knuckles took place in Angel Island is the consequence of a self-replicating logic: it's more or less fruitless to think about these places in themselves, but you can imagine any number of East, Northeast, Southeast, Far West, Central, Underground Islands where any number of games might take place. This self-replicating logic is characteristic of myths in that you can extrapolate a story's events to any set of similar conditions according to an underlying logic.

 

https://xcancel.com/KatieChrz/status/1671952045207859200?s=20

*phew*

 

Fang the Hunter is a jerboa and has been known by many names.

So I guess not only Nack the Weasel is an alias but maybe Fang the Sniper is too.

https://sonicsuperstars.com/

 

Fang the Hunter is more fitting title than Fang the Sniper, if not a bit less cool sounding. I’m happy to see they actually acknowledged his normal intended species too, none of this half-wolf stuff (what source did that part originate from anyway?)