Zone 01 : "The Mandatory Green Level"

Discussion in 'Project: Sonic Retro (Archive)' started by Phoebius, Nov 9, 2008.

  1. Phoebius

    Phoebius

    Coucou Member
    1,644
    0
    16
    France
    iOS Game
    Zone 01 : "Tropical Zone"

    Names
    Celestial Tropic Zone
    Green Cove Zone
    Green Meadows Zone
    Sapphire Island Zone
    Seaside Garden Zone
    Sunshine Island Zone
    Tropical Bay Zone


    Background

    [​IMG] [​IMG] ACT 1

    [​IMG] [​IMG] ACT 2

    Tileset

    [​IMG]

    Concepts

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Objects

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  2. dust hill resident

    dust hill resident

    Oldbie
    812
    0
    16
    London
    Making music
    Is this artwork taken from Sonic CD?
     
  3. Qjimbo

    Qjimbo

    Your friendly neighbourhood lemming. Oldbie
    No.
     
  4. Rika Chou

    Rika Chou

    Tech Member
    5,214
    2
    18
    No...

    It's (mostly) mine. Drawn pixel by pixel from scratch. Though there are parts of it that I am unhappy with.
     
  5. Tweaker

    Tweaker

    Misfit
    12,389
    0
    0
    I think he asked because it appears very similar to existing Sonic CD art in style. This isn't bad for a hack, but it could pose some potential confusion in this particular game. I was experiencing the same confusing when I played through the first level of Sonic Nexus, but I received various assurances that the graphics were, indeed, not nicked from Palmtree Panic. Fair enough.

    I'm trying to think here... see, while each concurrent Sonic game had similar motifs, the levels as a whole always looked different. I'm concerned here because the level as a whole is extremely remenicient of Sonic CD, and not is sort of lacking its "own" feel (if that makes any sense). I think it might be worth it to try and add some variety to the background so it isn't just the whole generic "ocean with islands in the back." I know it's classic Sonic design, but it also doesn't feel like it's totally its own level yet.
     
  6. synchronizer

    synchronizer

    Member
    1,916
    0
    16
    Perhaps the island could show a little of the level that might be located there. (I know that the island not in the background is the area the game takes place, but maybe it could have a smaller island which is home to only one Zone.)
     
  7. Rika Chou

    Rika Chou

    Tech Member
    5,214
    2
    18
    By the way, here is the current work in progress tile set and also the background seperated into pieces. Posting these just incase someone wants to help with this zone. Remember, this is not final...far from it actually.

    Also, before anyone asks, YES, it is using the hexagon design from my hack. It's my own original work so I don't see why people seem to have such a problem with this. MHZ in S&K used a similar abstract ground pattern, and also it would be difficult to change it this far in the levels development.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    (Note: I did not include parts of the background that I didn't draw, because I don't have that separated into pieces I think.)
     
  8. Tweaker

    Tweaker

    Misfit
    12,389
    0
    0
    Well, I have a problem with the hexagon design because it's not particularly interesting. Try and think of the detail that Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 had in their ground patterns—even with a bunch of square blocks, they still appeared quite detailed and cleanly shapen. I think the ground needs some sort of texture to it to make it feel a bit more like it's actually ground. One way to help this might be to do some darker shades on the outermost bits of the hexagon, so it appears the shapes are either protruding or engraved into the ground. This way, it looks more detailed, makes a tad bit more sense (and yes, I know Sonic doesn't have to make sense, but whatever), and is a bit more original in direct comparison to your hack.

    It's just a suggestion, mind, but I think it's worth trying out. If I were anywhere near as good at pixel art as I'd like to be, then I'd try it myself.
     
  9. CyclopsCaveman

    CyclopsCaveman

    Crawled out of a fan. Member
    75
    0
    6
    I think that this zone should be a primer for the entire game, but not contain anything radically 'new' to the Sonic series. It would basically introduce the game like Sonic 2 and 3&K did, nothing too new, so we don't just start shoving concepts into peoples faces like a kid showing his mother his newest drawing. I don't know if this has been mentioned before in the original threads or on the older fourms (too lazy to read all of that, and too much new stuff would arise by the time I finished), but it's a way to start the Project: Sonic Retro (we also need to come up with an abbreviation for the project, something like P:SR or PR, something simple and easy to type out and understand among the community).
     
  10. Guess Who

    Guess Who

    It's a miracle! Oldbie
    I really don't know if going for a GHZ/PPZ/EHZ motif is really the best move. It just feels like Generic Hill Zone, complete with green grass, brown tiled foreground, and island/ocean/hill background. It's been horribly overdone. The first level can be lush and tropical, sure, but maybe in a less cliched manner. Think Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles, or Sonic Rush. They have a much different style while still maintaining that classic first-level feel.
     
  11. CyclopsCaveman

    CyclopsCaveman

    Crawled out of a fan. Member
    75
    0
    6
    I agree with Guess Who on the concept of the level. The first time I saw the level art, I felt like it was something that came straight form another Sonic game. I didn't see anything particularly new with the design. We could, of course, keep it similar to the first levels but the art could go in a different direction.

    Hell, it doesn't have to be tropical, it could be a temperate deciduous forest or some other kind of forest. But since this is a tropical zone, we could stick it somewhere like a tropical rain forest close to a beach but not too close. So, we could add in a more mountain like feel to the level that adds depth to where it is. Ergo, the BG could be something like a mountain peak jutting out from a fuckton of trees. We could even make it blue, in reference to the blue mountain zone.
     
  12. Matwek

    Matwek

    Member
    805
    0
    16
    I agree that the tiles could use a slight more definition but other then that I think its great as it is.
    The main thing that will give character to the level is the objects and badniks populating it, im not sure if comparisons can be made just yet from only the floor and grass. Some plants in the foreground of the current tiles would make a world of differance without the trouble of changing everything
     
  13. PC2

    PC2

    GenMobile > 3DS Member
    1,743
    0
    0
    Various Artwork & Music, :smug:
    Did somebody say texture?
    [​IMG]
    I also have to agree with Guess Who - this is "the Sonic sequel", isn't it? Perhaps we should do something other than just straight up tiles - get a little random with it like AIZ, maybe.
     
  14. Mirai

    Mirai

    20
    0
    0
    These backgrounds look too 'clean' to me.
    If you look from Green Hill, to Emerald Hill, to Angel Island, they each get more rough and more detailed, especially when it comes to Angel Island Zone. These backgrounds right now seem too clean and tidy for me, they do look like a Sonic CD 2 kind of background.
    But with this opinion, I am stuck as to how to rectify this. Maybe just make the colors, background cliffs more detailed in a Green Grove kind of way.
     
  15. Tweaker

    Tweaker

    Misfit
    12,389
    0
    0
  16. muteKi

    muteKi

    Fuck it Member
    7,544
    0
    16
    Well, I think the main issue for me is that it's just a very bland brown. I'd like it to be a little bit more colorful, like what they did in Chaotix.
     
  17. Hey, just throwing a name for the zone out there, but, how does "Crystal Lake Zone" sound? I'd like to see that name in a hack, but I don't have any skills with that whatsoever =P
     
  18. roxahris

    roxahris

    Everyone's a hypocrite. Take my word for it. Member
    1,224
    0
    0
    Doing anything at all
    It's supposed to be more of a beach/island level... the name should be more to that theme.
    How about Sunny Shoreline... Zone?
     
  19. SoNick

    SoNick

    Oldbie
    First of all, I must say that adding a bit of texture to the tiles makes them look amazing! Now that I've seen that image all of the old ones look bland in comparison.

    Secondly, I think the main reason people assume the background is from Sonic CD is those mountains. They are shaped very similarly to the mountains in the background of Palmtree Panic Zone!
    My suggestion would be to redraw them to be more rough-looking; outside of video games I have never seen mountains with sides that are that smooth.
     
  20. Shoemanbundy

    Shoemanbundy

    Researcher
    1,038
    2
    18
    Chicago, Illinois
    selling shoes
    Maybe it's just me, but the new style is playing tricks with my eyes or something here. It feels like I'm looking at a pasted jpg quality picture. Ingame that wouldn't look too great to me..

    One thing the background needs is to get rid of that obvious reference to Sonic CD. If you recall all the Genesis games, they kept improving on the idea of the first level. The Sonic 1 and CD BGs combined kinda fit under where it's at now. After Sonic 3 they improved the idea by making it a jungle, then in S&K it was a forest. Afterwards there Sonic Adventure and Sonic Advance both had the Beach concept, which even carried over in Heroes. There's not anything new I can think of but a newer concept should be developed. This is just going backwards really..

    And I for one am still personally against this level even being in here. It's already been in Rika's old hack and it's got rather old enough, regardless of how much more updated this is proposed to be form the original. It may be beating a dead horse, but I'm curious how many others think the same. Not that it's likely to change the opinion of the people in charge either way.