Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by OSM, Feb 6, 2009.
The amount of shit that has Naka's seal of approval far outweighs what's come since his departure.
I have to agree, but I didn't want to turn this into a "Yuji Naka is the biggest troll ever" thread.
It's obvious the guy is full of shit, doesn't take a genius to figure that out. "In good hands" was a dead give away.
Adding original content, for starters!
In truth, I've still yet to play the game, so I can't really comment on how well it handles- Youtube at least shows me that the game's level design was a fair bit more elaborate than that of the GG games, but I just can't see myself enjoying this when every other aspect of the game is reminiscent of a NES pirate.
They made four other games like Sonic Advance, and neither of them phased me! That's not the point, though- it just seems to me that you're giving them far too much credit than is actually due. They may very well be the best thing to happen to Sonic in recent years, but even within the boundaries of the series, Aspect personally strikes me as having been much more successful in capturing the essence of the classic Sonic games. Take into consideration the rest of the gaming industry, and calling them geniuses is just such an outrageously fanboyish claim to make, and the fact that it's coming out of your mouth makes me a bit squeamish.
They probably could helm Sonic 4 provided they made effort, but their track record hardly flawless, and I wish people would stop raising them on some sort of pedestal when the only significant contributions they've made to the series are the hold right and speed button mechanics- neither of which were the byproduct of a stroke of genius.
But you have such terrible opinions.
The question is whether or not this was something that they ended up doing due to prodding and intervention by Sega themselves -- keep in mind that Advance 2 was in fact contemporary (more or less) with the highly esteemed Sonic Adventure 2.
I'm fairly willing to believe that's the case, as unlike Sega I doubt they went through such heavy restructuring during that time.
I would consider Advance 1 moreso... Since it was actually released the same year as Adventure 2 and not two years later.
What four games would you be referring to, exactly? Because if you're referring to Sonic Advance 2, 3, and both Sonic Rush games, then perhaps we didn't play the same game. There was a significant gap in style between Sonic Advance and all of its proceeding sequels, and to group the first game together with the rest is not only unfair, but inaccurate. Or maybe you're just trolling me; I can't tell at this point.
As for whether or not they get more credit than they're due... that's based entirely on your own subjective views. I think they don't get enough credit; you think they get too much. We disagree on a fundamental issue. Since there's no convincing each other that one of us is "right" in this case, let's just agree to disagree.
I'm not allowed to appreciate a development team's prowess now? Dimps made games that I like and exerted design practices that appeal to me. There are plenty of other geniuses in design throughout the industry—I never debated that in the slightest—but be aware that not every game genre will always appeal to every individual. I hardly see how that makes me a "fanboy," especially considering I acknowledged their flaws and outright spat on one of their products.
Throwing out terms like "fanboy" liberally doesn't make them true. I hardly consider myself a "fanboy" of anything—I just play games that I like and buy systems that contain games that I like. It's hardly more complicated than that for me.
Perhaps you didn't read my post properly, but when it comes to the Sonic Advance series, I've been referring solely to the first game, which contained no such "hold right to win" mechanics that were pioneered in its sequels. I don't know if this is the meat of your argument or something, but it simply doesn't apply.
Hey, I could say the same to you! I'm just not a total douchebag.
Did you guys ever think of the possibility that he's just being polite. I saw the look on his face when they asked him what he thought of sonic nowadays..... it was like "oh gosh....."
I agree with this wholeheartedly, actually. Note, I do recall myself enjoying the original Sonic Advance to some degree. But you did say "another game like Sonic Advance", a description of which the next four installments are completely within bounds! Even if you'd said "another game which possesses the qualities of the original Sonic Advance", then, well, no, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be thinking much differently- not when they've had five titles over the course of nine years to further encroach upon the quality of the classic Sonic titles. Sonic Advance as-is only goes so far.
Subjective, opinion- both synonyms for "I don't really want to argue over this". Every statement ever made boils down to an opinion on some fundamental level. Even most facts are only facts insofar as humanity perceives them to be. Which, naturally, means that it's totally okay for us to fence dicks over it. Come on. Just for laughs.
Oh, it's completely acceptable for you to praise a development team, but I think you should be a bit more conservative with your vocabulary when doing so! Genius bears a connotation of originality, creativity, innovation. There are only a select few people in the industry I'd deem to be true geniuses; Dimps is more of a "Just okay" or, indeed, a "Well, I like them."
I wasn't specifically calling you a fanboy, so much as stating that the claim itself was fanboyish in nature. Y'know, the sort of statement you'd generally attribute to someone on Youtube who really wouldn't have any qualms with using the terms "Sonic" and "genius" in the same sentence, in any context.
I can't get hard unless you say it
Yuji Naka polite?, Yuji Naka is normally known for telling want comes to his mine, know to be rude by some people, but by others a guy that tell it how it is, I really don't know why does he have protect the current sonic team with his comments.
No, no: Yuji Naka is only ever rude when talking to Americans.
Really?, but he loves America!
Also if Naka said "Sega is doing shit with Sonic" then Prope would break relationship with Sega, which is definitely something he doesn't want.
"It is business at the end of the day" I believe is what he said.
Bit off topic, but I'll clarify from these posts:
Basically yes, though I'm not opposed to a digital one that has no DRM on it.
Uh... If a game disc will play on any console (eg say a PS3 or 360 disc will play on any 360 or PS3), I'm fine with that. XBLA/PSN titles don't. Also, Steam titles that come on discs have DRM built-in and that is also a nogo.
True to some degree, but (a) you shouldn't have to and (b) what about schemes that can't be cracked/broken? Go read up on suicide batteries:
Back on topic, from what I've heard Naka tends to be rude and belligerent to anyone who doesn't agree with him (see the shitfit he threw over the NiGHTS engine and Sonic Xtreme).
I didn't realize you could build suicide batteries into downloads.
And some CPS-2 games have been decrypted.
You forget the fact that you can't use any back-ups. And I thought it was something important to you =P
But yeah, let's stop it here.
Fetch the keys from a remote download server. Remote download server goes away - keys have effectively been wiped beyond retrieval.
It is important! But if you can mix & match discs (or make copies for downloaded media), that counts as backups.
Yes. BACK ON TOPIC =P
Hmmm that interview and the kikizo one makes me think they ARE ("it's under discussion so we can't say a lot about that right now") developing a sonic 2D game like sonic 3, naka himself said that he's doing a game like that ( but maybe not a sonic... ).
I would really enjoy a Sonic 2/3 like game on XLA or Wiiware.
I bet sega will milk sonic this way too , the wii and xbox and ps3 with something like this...
I just hope we don't get a crappy game.
I'm pretty confident by now that it's company policy for employees to flirt with interviewers' expectations in order to generate this sort of positive vibe. I've lost count of how many times they've said something to the effect of "Well, there might be remakes of classic stages..."
But doesn't that just go against them when it turns out it's false? That's called overhyping >_>
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