don't click here

Why did Sonic's eyelids get changed to blue?

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by Willie, Oct 3, 2024.

What did you prefer, tan eyelids or blue eyelids for Sonic's modern design?

  1. Tan Eyelids

    47.6%
  2. Blue Eyelids

    28.0%
  3. I couldn't care less about Sonic's eyelid color.

    15.9%
  4. White Eyelids (read the thread for more info)

    4.9%
  5. Purple Eyelids (read the thread for more info)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Eyelid color does not matter, but the pupils should NEVER become white eyelids

    3.7%
  1. kazz

    kazz

    16-bait Member
    649
    290
    63
    [​IMG]
    The tan eyelids look better when he has actual eyelashes instead of weird eyelips like in Forces' case.
     
  2. Kilo

    Kilo

    Deathly afraid of the YM2612 Tech Member
    1,073
    1,061
    93
    Canada
    Sonic 1 Source Code Recreation + Source Code Wiki Page
    I mean Sonic should just have eyelashes in general. Adventure executed that perfectly, doesn't need to look feminine or anything.
     
  3. Blue Blood

    Blue Blood

    Member
    6,265
    1,023
    93
    This is the perfect descriptor. Fuck I hate it so much.
    ykm4m6zh1uf81.png

    It's not a modern thing or a classic thing or whatever. It's just a "please SEGA get yourself a new art team and give them all the money they need" thing. Cause tan or blue, these eyelids are bad!
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2024
    • Agree Agree x 6
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List
  4. Blue Spikeball

    Blue Spikeball

    Member
    2,553
    1,078
    93
    Both the eyelashes and the "eyelips" look bad TBH. He should should just have simple cartoony eyelids without such details.

    upload_2024-10-3_17-33-19.png upload_2024-10-3_17-41-8.png
    upload_2024-10-3_17-37-50.png upload_2024-10-3_17-33-24.png
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2024
  5. Zephyr

    Zephyr

    Member
    3,737
    633
    93
    US
    I think all 3 color options look fine, but my preference (white) was snubbed from the ballot!
     
  6. How about purple eyelids?
    purplids.png
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • List
  7. Willie

    Willie

    Each day the world turns Laugh 'til it all burns Member
    I added white eyelids to the poll. I have it set to where people can change their vote. If someone prefers white eyelids that previously voted for one of the three original options, they can change their vote.

    2024-10-03-SonicRetroPollSettings-PNG.png

    Just added purple eyelids to the poll.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2024
    • Like Like x 3
    • Useful Useful x 1
    • List
  8. Brainulator

    Brainulator

    Regular garden-variety member Member
    I guess I prefer blue for consistency's sake, though it doesn't truly matter to me.

    Apparently, one of the sprites in Sonic 2 shifted from white to tan during development, while another shifted from blue to tan. Tails seems to use orange eyelids throughout, though.
     
  9. Most furry animals have fur over their eyelids...

    Since the fur around a hedgehog's face isn't the same color as its spines, it would make sense if Sonic's eyelids were just the same color as his muzzle.
     
  10. Hoiyoihoi

    Hoiyoihoi

    Member
    74
    49
    18
    calling them 'eye lips' disgusts me in a visceral way.
     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List
  11. Plorpus

    Plorpus

    Hog Blue So What Member
    1,009
    290
    63
    The blue looks more natural from a character design perspective but they were tan when I was a kid and the franchise was in its golden age so I prefer them that way
     
  12. LF222

    LF222

    Member
    43
    13
    8
    Tan is stronger from a color blocking point of view, and i think thats best exemplified in the advance sprites. seems battle is the earliest game to change it
     
  13. Black Squirrel

    Black Squirrel

    sometimes the real thing™ Wiki Sysop
    9,143
    3,024
    93
    Northumberland, UK
    not making new christmas avatars
    So I went on that a hunt (though for Sonic, not Knuckles) - turns out it's never been particularly consistent. The second Sonic game, Sonic Eraser, has white eyelids, but maybe we can let that slide because Eraser's graphics are awful.

    That takes us to 1993 with the release of Sonic Spinball. This happens mere seconds into the game:

    [​IMG]
    blue

    [​IMG]
    (wait), then tan

    most of the other animations are tan, and then when Sonic gets an emerald:
    [​IMG]
    right in your face, blue again.

    which obviously means Sonic's eyelids didn't change colour, he just has two sets. Obviously.



    I haven't checked every game, but Sonic Advance 1 and 2 have tan eyelids. Sonic Advance 3, however has blue... except for in that bottom row.
    https://www.spriters-resource.com/game_boy_advance/sonicadv3/sheet/7143/

    2003/2004 is when most media made the switch from tan to blue, but there are some exceptions - they're blue in Sonic Xtreme, for example (and the comics... and TV shows). But I think in those cases, it's Americans (and British) getting it wrong.

    And as an aside, there's a few games like Sonic (3D) Blast where Sonic doesn't close his eyes at all.
     
    • Informative Informative x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  14. Starduster

    Starduster

    Can bench press at least two Sonic the Hedgehogs Member
    2,273
    1,383
    93
    Britain
    Fighting my procrastination addiction
    Did that bottom row of sprites actually get used in Advance 3? They originate from the last story cutscene in Advance 2 where Vanilla's re-kidnapped and Sonic's too late to save her.
     
  15. Chimes

    Chimes

    The One SSG-EG Maniac Member
    935
    644
    93
    Oh, so he's like an eagle. More evidence for those bird lore fanatics! :eng101:
    That is very weird, though. I haven't checked yet but did Spinball have two artists working on Sonic's sprites? That could explain the weird inconsistencies since I can see five artists in the credits
     
  16. Blue Blood

    Blue Blood

    Member
    6,265
    1,023
    93
    Hedgehogs have the nictitating membrane, sorry.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List
  17. Kilo

    Kilo

    Deathly afraid of the YM2612 Tech Member
    1,073
    1,061
    93
    Canada
    Sonic 1 Source Code Recreation + Source Code Wiki Page
    So the answer is tan and blue and he just blinks with whichever set he wants.
    Mystery solved.
     
  18. serpx

    serpx

    Member
    642
    33
    28
    After 30 years of Sonic the Hedgehog, I've learned that there is no right/wrong. There ... just is. Sonic's design is literally a roll of the dice in various media.

    Edit: I take it back. Sonic movie's original design was wrong.
     
  19. Jaxer

    Jaxer

    Member
    679
    472
    63
    [​IMG]
    How about this piece of SatAM concept art?
     
  20. Blue Spikeball

    Blue Spikeball

    Member
    2,553
    1,078
    93
    ...I swear, the SatAM concept art is truly the "original movie Sonic design" of its time.

    And I could argue that so was the final SatAM Robotnik design :V