You've conceded that not everyone agrees that Sonic needs a redesign, including people on this forum. So it's a valid perspective to argue against and not a strawman. I'm not sure what you want me to accept here.
Jesus Christ. Those things are not directly correlated. I do not have to meticulously tailor every single aspect of my language to appease you on the off-chance that you're going to wildly misinterpret an obvious and already over-qualified hyperbolic generalization and demand I prove that the entire population of the planet agrees with me or whatever, and that is not in conflict with the fact that your absurd assertion that we're just dismissing all complaints about the models solely because animation exists is placidly ridiculous, and cherry-picking comments made after that assertion (that also still don't really say that) changes nothing. You are fighting ghosts with this rhetoric. I ask you again: ARE WE DONE YET? This is the stupidest thing you've ever turned into an argument, and that is an extremely competitive field. Fix your shit, dude.
It's a very common opinion Sonic fans have though. You are just objectively wrong. It's not a matter of being technically 100% accurate. And since we're allowed to exaggerate I don't see the problem with invoking a hypothetical person who likes the Unleashed model for the sake of argument anyway. This need you have to get the last word in just to insult me is pretty stupid but that's just me.
Currently you're sitting zero percent accurate, because the non-quote you proposed, long before any of the comments you're trying to use to justify it, suggested that the people arguing that the animation and rigging are more important than the models themselves were not themselves in favor of a redesign. You've only found one person saying they actually shouldn't change it, and they didn't make that argument. If that's supposed to be a more popular or pervasive opinion than the people saying Sonic could use a design change, you have not proven it. There wouldn't be, had you done that instead of what you actually did, which was invent a position that nobody believed but was easier to attack. Do you think I'm enjoying this? I'm not taking the piss out of you because I just like being cruel to people. It's because I don't think you're being very honest here, and that bothers me! It's not the first time either. It feels like you just don't listen to people.
It's not the first time I've disagreed with you sure but you're making that out to be a much bigger deal than it is.
I felt this way before. But after playing it for a good bit and coming back to Generations, there is no doubt in my mind.i vastly, VASTLY prefer how Sonic controls in Generations over Frontiers. The only thing I do miss when going back to Generations is the ability to air boost in any direction regardless of where you are facing. That could come in handy sometimes but besides that. No. The weight and momentum in Generations makes Sonic feel much more satisfying to control. I will say I have come to notice a floatiness I did no before though. After I let go of jump Sonic still continues to rise for a bit before start in to hang and descend. That feels a little weird. Still not the largest problem in the world.
One hot take I have with Sonic rn is that a lot of online fan discourse isn't really paying attention what's happening. We're too lost in the details and missing the bigger picture. Games like Frontiers have glaring issues, Sega's attempts to make the franchise much more centralized and consistent has been controversial, with lore team's efforts and how IDW crew are handling the characters. The movies are still weird, like there's too much leftover "Hollywood's Smurfs" DNA. But I think that if you step back, and look at how people are talking about the series, it's MUCH more sincere. For the longest time the public perception of Sonic has been irony poisoned. Referencing chili dogs and catch phrases, how fans are weird and etc. But now, even people with the most "normie" tastes and basic understanding of the series are engaging with it with sincerity. And this was not because of some huge change and reinvention of the series, like "Sonic Boom". People picked up Frontiers, sat through it, acknowledged it has issues, yet still enjoyed it. Same with Shadow gens, a celebration of Shadow's history, after spending over a decade laughing at it, is now sitting on top of people's game of the year list. Folks are reading the comics and for once they understand why Sonic fans find these characters and their world endearing, and now they're making OCs. No, I think in modern days Sonic is being presented in such a way that it's ideas and their appeal are easier to grasp and understand, even when it's not done in the best way possibe.
People are seeing what makes the characters endearing from reading the comics? I mean, last one I read was 59, so maybe I am a bit out of the loop, but how? How is that possible? Lol
An addition I have to make is that I'm not saying that your issues as fans are invalid or that there is nothing to complain about or criticize, like we're not hanging these things in the louvre. This is to say the discussions are much healthier. I don't know it speaks for itself, I'm not seeing folks being very cynical with recent output outside of dedicated Sonic circles. In fact the main "issue" around sonic is that dedicated fans are TOO bothered with their complaints and nitpicks. There's only so many times you're gonna post a comic panel that looks fine to most people and say "there's something seriously wrong with this" until they get tired. Things are fine.
I guess I can’t really say much. I don’t think I have even seen discussion about the IDW comics AT ALL outside Sonic circles…. Like ever. Honestly, the only thing I can recall seeing was the comments from one reviewer criticizing Sonic’s characterization in issue 1 due to being “radical in a 90s sense” or whatever, him just being really annoying. Which I recall lining up well with my thoughts there But I guess you’re right. It doesn’t really matter what the people who actually like Sonic have to say about these Sonic comics. As long as they are selling and have some audience at all whatsoever, then whatever. How are they doing financially, by the way? In comparison to other similar comics of a similar demographic? I honestly don’t know.
Below 10k sales back when they could be tracked. However that was only physical numbers. No clue on digital numbers. The numbers must be good enough for them to continue the deal. IDW is facing trouble though because of Diamond Distributors going bankrupt.
Shame IDW is facing troubles from this, but Diamond going bankrupt is a huge W and something I have wanted to happen for years.
Big agree, I know Gens' controls have their issues but the controls work well for what the game asks of the player, and there's an overall level of smoothness to it that Frontiers severely lacks. The only truly positive, no asterisk mark thing I can say about Frontiers' controls is that Sonic turns really well and not losing significant speed while jumping is fun (until I have to do some precision platforming and now we have a problem). Yeah I dunno why I left that part in, I'm just not fond of this topic so my annoyance with it came out there.
