The Sonic the Hedgehog Headcanon Thread of Lore and Time Stones

Sorry, with "already existing" I mean that the Super Emeralds themselves are already a thing in lock-on because the game clearly tells you "Super Emeralds"
technically the regular CEs are a "key" for the summoning of the Super Emeralds, they appear, and the CEs are trapped in a, somehow, subspace inside them.
Non-lock-on & Knuckles implies that the Emeralds in Hidden Palace are the ones that Knuckles took from Super Sonic, and the game just forces you to collect them again because whatever, the games needs to be longer. You collecting them in Non-lock-on S3 isn't canon either, so that's pretty much how I see it:
Non-lock-on:
Knuckles takes CEs from Super Sonic and places them in Hidden Palace, Sonic never went through subspace.

Lock-on:
Knuckles takes CEs from Super Sonic and spreads them in subspace around Angel Island
Sonic collects them, and when arrives at Mushroom hill, goes to Hidden Palace, where the CEs are sent to the subspace inside the Super Emeralds, this is what "upgrades" them and why when Sonic collects them, they have the M.E shape.

Or maybe I'm crazy.

Edit: I know it sounds confusing, so to make it clear, what I'm trying to reach for is a explanation for the "2 sets" theory, Iizuka said that the SEs are in other dimension, that's why I mentioned the subspace, as there is no reason for you to collect the Super Emeralds *inside the Super Emeralds* if they are already there in the HP altar, so going by Iizuka's logic, The Super Emeralds already exist in NonLO &K, the CEs summon them, then they upgrade the CEs, to have the same shape as them.

Of course I don't agree with this logic, I'm just trying to explain how Iizuka's statement could work.

Plus @BlackHole sorry for bothering you again, but could you also explain the chaos emerald timeline in the classic era please?
Plus extra questons, I got confused with some stuff, you said that Gerald was in possess of one CE 50 years ago, which could presumably explain why there aren't 7 in Sonic 1991, but the Battle journal says that he was in possess of at least more than one CE.
And the Cocoa Island set is meant to be the same as the South Island's?

 

I read it multiple times to be sure that I didn't lose a single bit.
So let me see...

-Chaos uses the complete set to achieve his perfect form and spread the chaos (there's many better ways to say this but I'm lazy to think about it)
-After it, the remaining members of the clan broke the complete set into multiple fragments and spread them in Cocoa Island, South Island, Westisde Island and Angel Island.
-Gerald gets one Fragment from South Island, and takes it to the ARK
-G.U.N takes the Fragment from South Island in the ARK and hides it in their base (maybe Security Hall?)
-The Battle Kukku Armada finds one Chaos Fragment in Cocoa Island, but Tails finds the other five and takes the sixth fragment from Battle Kukku XVI, keeping them all safe in Cocoa Island.
-Eggman detects the other 6 South Island fragments and tries to get them, Sonic tries to prevent him, he gets the 6 fragments and keeps them safe somehwere in South Island.
-Eggman detects the 7 Westside Island fragments and tries to get them, Sonic tries to prevent him, he gets the 7 fragments and keeps them safe somewhere in Westside Island.
-Sonic collects the 6 fragments in South Island because his friends were captured, and uses them to prevent the destruction of South Island by Eggman, Eggman then gets one of the fragments and Sonic & Tails (them, in the game of same name) try to recover it to prevent the same disaster from happening.
-Eggman gets the 6 fragments from South Island but then loses them, and asks for Knuckles to recover them. Sonic & Tails (2 this time) also try to recover them. Meanwhile, the 7 fragments from Westside Island and the 6 from Cocoa Island, which were hidden but also unprotected, were found by Fang, he also took G.U.N's fragment, and then returned to Subspace, and merged all the fragments 14 fragments into 6 incomplete Emeralds, these that Sonic took from him at the end.
-With the 6 Incomplete emeralds that Sonic took from Fang, he also decides to merge them with the 6 remaining fragments from South Island that he collected in the last adventure, this results in 7 Incomplete Emeralds.
-Sonic and Tails detects the 7 fragments from Angel Island, Sonic uses the 7 Incomplete Emeralds to transform into Super Sonic and reach the Island, but Knucles takes the 7 IEs from him to the Hidden Palace, there, he merges the 7 IEs with the 7 fragments that he has, which are the last ones. Then this finally results in the the Complete Emeralds.

Did I get it right?
If the answer is yes, then where did you get the info that the Battle Kukku Armada already owned one fragment and that Cocoa Island has 7 fragment? The only fragment owned by BKA is the one that Tails takes from Battle Kukku XVI, which is one of the 6 in the game, plus the manual doesn't say anything about BKA already having one fragment in hands, neither that there are 7 fragments. Unless I'm missing something...
Plus, I can't remember of a fragment owned by G.U.N being mentioned anywhere, where did you also get this one?

Edit: plus, Gerald definitely had less than 7, it couldn't be more than 6 because IIRC the whole reason for his "deal" with Black Doom is because he told him that Shadow would bring the 7 Emeralds to him.

 

Makes sense, now the remaining pieces are Drift 1 & 2, Labyrinth & Blast (and we can be sure that all of these games doesn't take place in multiple islands, Westside Island probably has its own Ice Cap)

Nope, but I thought it was actually dispatched from the ARK, I remember reading something about it somewhere...

You're talking about G.U.N? I thought that only Gerald made the Chaos Drives.

IIRC The Black arms or at least Black Doom can sense the CEs, or maybe that's just Sega of America playing again.

 

I really don't think so, Drift 1 is entirely in South Island, and there is already a Scrap Brain Course, why would Drift 2 switch islands for a single course?

And then probably Fang found the capsule.

Isn't that just a gameplay thing? The robots return in Shadow 05, Rush and they doesn't have chaos drives, neither in Generations where City Escape is specifically meant to take place at the events of SA2.

My bad, I misunderstood Doom's Eye dialogue in Cosmic Fall.

 

Must be the "Death Egg" from Sonic Blast, we witness its launch in Westside Island in Drift 2, then it flies over South Island, and then finally, falls in the sea next to it in Blast.

But there are no reports of they reaching any of the islands, there are?

They're? Very strange, then Eggman might also have recovered a lot of them to use as the power source for his Mechs in 2006.

 

But, the heck...doesn't the game shows the Death Egg falling into the sea?

 

Wait...what the?? No wonder why the wiki page of Blast doesn't mention the Death Egg
But you're saying that the DE isn't in the game only because there are no external sources talking about it or because sources says that the DE isn't actually in the game?

 

One problem with the split emerald theory: Gerald specifically created the Eclipse Canon with 7 fully powered Chaos Emeralds in mind. The slots in the weapon are for diamond cut jewels, not emerald cut like the shards supposedly are.

As for GUN creating Chaos Drives, Gerald's research of the Emeralds allowed him to develop a process of crystallizing chaos energy on his own. That's how GUN was still able to manufacture the drives 50 years later without access to the Emeralds (which in your headcanon, would have been fully restored in Sonic 3 and thus unavailable to them in at least Adventure).

 

My point here is that if G.U.N. has an Emerald Fragment, then there's no way the Chaos Emeralds would be fully formed in Sonic 3 and onwards. One of the Emeralds would still be emerald cut rather than diamond cut.

• The robots that G.U.N. uses are roughly 50 years old and use the Chaos Drives that Gerald invented. We see them both on the ARK (Lost Colony and and the flashbacks in Shadow The Hedgehog) and on Earth and they operate the same.
• The Drives are obviously plentiful due to the sheer amount of robots and how much we see Chao use them.
• In Sonic 06, Eggman uses a new kind of Chaos Drive to power his robots and he doesn't have access to the Emeralds or emerald shards.

All of this implies that Gerald and/or G.U.N. came up with a method of creating the drives without the use of the Chaos Emeralds and/or their shards. If they did have a shard as you suggest, then they would have had it for 50 years. Yes, they had access to 3 emeralds during SA2 and maybe they would have used those, but then where did all of the robots on the ARK come from? If Gerald had a shard that he use to create the initial drives which he later lost, there was a gap where no drives were created, and then they started mass producing them again by the events of SA2, it wouldn't make sense since they would be without those robots for 50 years. A military force like G.U.N. would not have been without that resource for 50 years and still used the same robots as if nothing happened, they would have come up with an alternative solution.

 

Here's something I think it's interesting to think about
i was watching Pariah695's video about the Classic Sonic timeline, and there is a part where he says that it's confusing how the manual of Sonic 3 states that Knuckles was guarding the Chaos Emeralds, while Sonic was already with them in the first cutscene, then he says that maybe this happened because of the game being split into two halfs, and that in the & Knuckles half, they rewrote the Angel Island's Chaos Emeralds set to be the Master Emerald due to the latter one not showing up in S3 half.
This instantly made me remember of the Sonic 3 November 93 prototype, where this happens
Sonic arrives on Angel Island by a surfboard, when he arrives he's stopped by Knuckles, who doesn't do anything, just warns him to stay way or something.
So what does this have to do with what I said above? Well, Sonic arrives without the Chaos Emeralds, this maybe implies that he doesn't have them.
That could mean two things
1: Sonic was meant to not have the Emeralds in this prototype so it could be consistent with what happens in Sonic 2 (Sonic doesn't have them when he goes to Westside Island) and with what was written in the Sonic 3 manual.
2: The "number of Emeralds was now made consistent" thing from Sonic Adventure was actually planned way back for this game.