The Sonic the Hedgehog Headcanon Thread of Lore and Time Stones

Nah, I mean directly after Sonic Blast. You see Sonic or Knuckles on the cliff tossing the five pieces as they watch the Silver Castle fall into the ocean.
You also see the Chaos Emerald that breaks have the 'brilliant' cut.

Honestly, they look like the brilliant cut with a slightly elongated top. So I chalk that one up to it being the brilliant cut at a funny angle like the game itself.

Sonic Blast only saw one shatter: if the six seen are fragments, then Sonic would only have two: the six shards refused and Knuckles'.

I'm happy to say that was just the Chaos Emerald on it's side, like how the IDW 30th Anniversary comic showed Sonic hold the brilliant cut Chaos Emerald aloft on its side to resemble the old games version. You also see said Brilliant Cut with a hexagonal top in Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island's Saturn version.



(I assume this is also the explanation SEGA are actually going with for the classic Chaos Emerald's appearances.)

 

Nah, that's me using an element introduced later to retroactively justify multiple Chaos Emeralds sets, due to the confusion caused by Angel Island having a set until just before the Death Egg crash, despite Sonic using them on South and Westside Island and arriving at Angel Island with at least one of them.

Aka, an actual retcon.

 

I would imagine the Chaos Fragments are not as powerful as the Chaos Emeralds whole, so there's no real point to repeating it.

Like I said, the headcanon is that it happened after the Perfect Chaos Incident, aka that time the seven were consumed and used to wipe out a Great Civilization. Split them up between islands and if Chaos gets out again, he has to locate more than just the seven.

Still no idea why that happened. Sonic Adventure was out for a nearly a year, and the designs weren't exactly hidden in the release build up.

What do you take me for, a rank amateur?

Adventure Era

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'Current' Era*

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*I'm planning on redoing this and splitting them into the "Fire and Wind Era" (Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) to Sonic and the Black Knight) and the "Wisp Era" (Sonic Colours to Sonic Forces). Sonic Frontiers I'm going to put as the start of a "Frontiers Era" once we get more games.

 

They could have also just swapped out sprite with the one you see later as he flees Sonic. The second one would pretty much cover what's needed:

Yuji Naka was also supervising. One would think he'd see the old designs being used and step in early on, but...

May you have had a good rest, and ask away when you're ready.

 

I would disagree. Amy has not seen Sonic for a while, implied to be the gap between Classic and Adventure eras, but has been on an adventure within that timeframe?

Tails also flies the Tornado in Sonic Rush Adventure, and Sonic's legs spinning are the only Classic look. He lets his arms fall back, which only Sonic the Hedgehog CD did but Sonic Adventure established as his new running pose.

On a related note, does anyone else find the Sonic Advance running look weird? It looks like he's spinning his knees...



No wonder he winces repeatedly...

Anyway, as for the lack of homing attack, that's fair, but he (and Amy) also railgrind which people use to argue it's after Sonic Adventure 2.

For me, the four primary cast members of Sonic Adventure (minus Big, who has Froggy, and E-102 Gamma, who kinda died) are working in tandem and this is an adventure after Sonic Adventure, still within the area of Station Square.

You never actually encounter them. Story Mode has Sonic face off against Amy, Tails, Knuckles and Metal Sonic. Not to mention NiGHTS already has an established existing pinball table in Casinopolis.

Shadow is also on the tournament list, one would imagine Robotnik would have also set him on Sonic if he was mind controlled like the rest of the cast.

Funny thing: no one actually recognises Nega immediately. Even Silver, the one hunting him, mistakes him for Robotnik initially and was intending to simply ask Robotnik about Nega, and Shadow suddenly sees Nega when Silver says that the Robotnik they've been chasing must be him:

5:02 and 32:35 for the relevant cutscenes


It suggests there's some sort of perception filter in effect, so anyone who doesn't know Nega's true identity just see Robotnik. And since Sonic, Tails and Knuckles are never informed over the course of the game...

Meanwhile, Nega betrays and imprisons Robotnik twice over the course of the duology. I would highly doubt he'd trust Nega with anything after such betrayals...

When does that happen? Last interaction I recall is them racing each other through the tunnel at the end without words...

Anyway, it's between the first two games, and is the earliest point it can take: Sonic Riders has a flying carpet be the treasure, which Sonic assumed was "the work of folk tales". I doubt he'd say that after being taken to the literal world of the Arabian Nights, which feature flying carpets.

It also can't be before Sonic Rivals 2, since when Erazor Djinn unleashes the Ifrit, Sonic responds with recognition to the name with a "is that..."

Since both appear in Robotnik factories, and both look to be in pieces, I viewed them as under construction in preparation for the upcoming war, personally.

That came later, didn't it? And also from TailsTube, which I'm currently ignoring since it also overwrites the AI aspect for the small creatures?
Not sure if there's something I'm missing where Sonic had the SOAP Shoes to learn grinding other than that.

EDIT: so many typos... need to try and sleep more...

 

Is there a Japanese version or source of similar information, out of curiosity? Just wondering if this is a SEGA of America thing or not.

And Sonic Pocket Adventure.

Tails also poses with it in his Fin screen of Sonic Adventure, which are usually implied to take place at some point after the adventure.

(except Chaos', since the altar is intact in his and Sonic Battle later confirmed he stayed around)

Considering a robot assault happened, I'd wager another adventure can take place, especially since he and Jet don't see one another in Sonic and the Secret Rings.

He only considers that it's a world within the book. Considering a hostile entity is ravaging said stories and stealing them from the world, which he has to act to restore.

Considering Shahra brings up a flying carpet and Sonic doesn't react to it, versus his impressed reaction and commentary in Sonic Riders, I'd still consider it a case of him seeing a flying carpet beforehand.

But that begs the question, did the Babylonians inspire the writings of the Arabian Nights?

It was only the one, but that one was wrecked and they had to get it back to working.

Beyond having the same voice actor anyway, just different inflections, the perception filter also seems to affect the manner of speech.

The filter seems to ensure Nega is undetectable completely, appearance, voice and all, until Silver breaks it with the truth when realising something outside the filter, the camera Robotnik's using, means the person he's seeing is not actually such.

 

Probably as a callback to that Q&A, since Flynn has a good nose for references like that.

I'll see if there's anything regarding the SOAP shoes elsewhere.