The Sonic the Hedgehog Headcanon Thread of Lore and Time Stones

The main reason I exclude the GUN theory is that, due to being a geneticist, I imagined that she have ties to Project Shadow (or the very least, attempts to study Shadow with sample they obtained before they sealed him 50 years ago). Eggman might have stolen some records from the raid before the bombing and kidnapped her to try to revive Shadow.

I should note that she did left GUN with good terms.

 

Regarding Eggman Nega, i think people are jumping the gun in assuming he's an direct decendent of Eggman when he can be the grandson of some other cousin or something like that.

 

"Descendant" is the word they use. If he were only the grandson of a cousin or sibling, he wouldn't be a descendant of Eggman.

 

How much I'd rock on my desk chair if I found out Shadow would manage to spit in Time Eater's face by using its power to bring Maria back to the world of the living, somehow

 

Let us hope it won't go that way...
There's so much one can take from certain sides of the fandom...

 

I wish Sega would make a Silver game where Silver fights Eggman Nega. Make it it's own series!

And if Sega also starts focusing on Shadow-exclusive content more... we could have a series of games for all 3 hedgehogs!

I can only hope.

 

I love Silver but no. It's not happening. He sucks too much. That's part of why I like him, he was such a dud in his introductory game that his entire character became a confused mess that SEGA completely fumbled in every later appearance (except Rivals, which was already planned and in-development before said bomb dropped). A character that hasn't been playable in a single good Sonic mainline game is never, ever going to be popular enough to hold his own spinoff, let alone a spinoff series.

 

Generally agree but I wouldn't be surprised if some Silver centric thing came along in a few years, if only because Sonic 06 is one of the games they have the green light to adapt in the films and they're running out of road.

Sonic Team has always adored Silver too, even if not many other people do. I think they'd jump at the opportunity if one presented itself. It's just unlikely one will unless the movies take the initiative.

 

Well, you're right that Silver is shackled to 06 and that he's not going to be able to break into the Sonic mainstream without that game itself doing the same. But the movies are leaning on SA2 right now because SA2 was already well-received and popular. They jumped over CD and Adventure 1 to do this, so the idea that they'd go for 06, a game that was never good and probably never will be, instead of either getting clearance to do other stuff or just jerking their own material off more, seems as unlikely to me as them just doing a Silver game outright. If 06 were to ever make a resurgence (which I kind of don't think it ever will), it will be because SEGA is looking over ChaosX's shoulder. Probably not by collaborating or even formally acknowledging his game (even if pulling a Black Mesa would be great PR), but by giving some team free reign with their own port or remake, included in an Origins-style collection for 3D games. I feel like SA1/2/Heroes/Shadow/06 would actually be a really great deal if you made all of them good presentable.

 

I think the main reason SA2 was picked was less because it's a critical darling(because, if we're being frank, none of these games are and if we go by popularity first Heroes clears it) but because it's the most toyetic. The Sonic movies are, more than anything else, meant to strengthen the 'toys and merch aimed at 7 year old boys' side of the series. I think the thing that's kept Shadow afloat is that he feeds into this pretty well has much as his nostalgia factor. He's just a strong design and concept for that demographic as much as anything else.

Because of that I would be very surprised if their next move is to not beeline toward the next aggro male hedgehog character with cool powers. I could be wrong. They could double back to Sonic CD and use Metal Sonic to fill that slot. Or they could take advantage of both games's emphasis on time travel, tie Amy to Silver's hip and create the kind of weird hybrid you normally get with these kinds of things.

I'm aware I'm also suggesting the kind of pitfalls thinking that lead to Silver being such a failure the first time, but either way as adapting post SA2 Sonic puts you in shady territory. You have to accept at some point the sonic brand basically has no prestige status or quality standard but still has the potential to bring in stacks regardless. There are rumors about the chaotix for Christ's sake. They've never been playable in anything good either. If Heroes Remake really exists they must be planning to just chop their campaign out and start from scratch because otherwise...

 

I mean when I call SA2 good I mean that it has a reputation, one that did go through a few years of "everything except Genesis Sonic sucks" admittedly, but it's still the most culturally-relevant modern Sonic game even before we got into all this year of Shadow stuff. It reviewed decently, and Heroes did too, which means that for all intents and purposes, they're "good" games regardless of what we think. 06 is the opposite. It hasn't stopped sucking from the moment it came out, and while its popularity definitely is at a high right now with Shadow Generations, Project 06 and a load of youtube video essays telling kiddies what to think about a game they've never played, it's never gonna reach that level. The Chaotix are fun wacky detectives who aren't directly associated with the laughingstock of the franchise, it's not hard to see why they'd be considered, especially with them being a good fit for the light comedy tone of the movies (better than Knuckles, really).

Silver, by contrast...eh. I mean, yes, he is pointy and is a time traveler with psychic powers. I cannot deny that those things have a base appeal. If you're going to argue that Silver's design and powers are enough to make him the selling point of a movie on their own, I guess I won't fight you (I just disagree).

But he's just no Shadow the hedgehog, no matter how hard they tried to make him into one. Even if 06 was good (well, not embarrassing in the way that it was), Silver just doesn't have that star power. Shadow was out for blood the second he woke up, laughed in the face of danger just like Sonic, had a fucked-up past, kicked cops asses and outwitted Sonic, blew up an island, and still went out a hero. SA2 is about Shadow and the history of the ARK (I mean, Knuckles didn't even need to be there). Silver is undercut and barely feels like the main character of his own entire campaign. 06 isn't about him, it's about the Solaris incident and Elise. He spends most of his story either eating shit or getting sidetracked. His personality is mostly passive, and never leads him to do anything cool. Mephiles is the true villain, but he barely has anything to do with Silver beyond being one of several people telling him what to do. Silver has no real ties to Elise, the Solaris incident (no I don't count time traveling into it after it's already happened), or even Sonic or Blaze, really. His main villain is Iblis, but Iblis is basically just Mephiles's gun, and he spends the entire game on a convoluted plan to get the Solaris ammo that doesn't even work and is pointless, so he just forces it to happen anyway. When Silver beats Iblis and Blaze fake dies because reasons, there's this profound sense of "...now what?" because he's not even saving a world that was altered by time travel. It literally does not matter until everything is reset, but Silver is no more a part of the Last story than Rouge or Eggman.

Now, I'm sure this probably gives the impression of "yes Devin this is the plot of 06 and it sucks, but I'm talking about the movies" but that plot was what was supposed to sell people on Silver and it failed hard! I just don't think he's even that popular. He's always the third wheel of the deviantart-phase preteens that think "hedgehog with name that starts with S" is a compelling reason to make a trio, but Silver has no particular dynamic with Sonic or Shadow even to most of them, and they're pretty much the only demographic you can market that version of Silver to! Nowadays, Silver is the niceboy dork who tries to do the right thing but gets hasty or can't communicate himself right, and that change in direction is entirely because he was the wrong fit for what the story of 06 needed him to be. I just think it's too late for the guy at this point...which is ironic, because nerd Silver is the one I actually like, but he's not selling any movies, I assure you.

 

I agree otherwise, but not with the "Sega has given up on Silver" -part.
Even if the anti-intellectuals with bad taste are not a large part of this series' audience, Sega clearly takes their feedback seriously. If Black Doom and Mephiles coming back big time isn't proof of that, the fact that Sega offers jobs to "Sonic Lore Experts" certainly is. And even if Sega does come back to their senses eventually (assuming that they ever were), using Silver without drawing attention to '06 is still surprisingly easy; all you really have to do is change the nature of his timeline and his reasons for traveling into the past. That's what Post-Reboot Archie and IDW did, anyway.

Also, he still gets a lot of merch. Not nearly as much as the big five, but way more than Rouge and the Chaotix combined. Hell, I'm pretty sure that he has like four unique Funko Pops, when most other Sonic characters have one or two.

Now, I don't like Silver either. Actually, I'd prefer it if he were swept under the rug and never acknowledged again, as even his Archie and IDW incarnations are only tolerable to me. But as of current, Sega has more reasons for using him than ditching him, and him eventually showing up in the movies would not be impossible were he to consistently appear in both mainline games and spinoffs for the foreseeable future.

 

You've made it to the big leagues when you get bootlegs.

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what

 

Anti intellectuals with bad taste rise up. Black doom bros we shall take over the franchise once more and return to the glory days when the games were shit and the writing had SOVL

 

Okay wow, there's a lot of "I agree with you saying <opinion I do not hold>" here. I didn't call anyone anti-intellectual or their taste bad. I did describe the impression I get of people who love 06 Silver, but that's a case of me thinking they bought into SEGA's presentation or just like the design or synchronicity between the trio, not that I think they're stupid. I only really have a problem with it in that none of that is a good defense of his 06 story.

Also, I do like Silver. He's one of my favorite characters, in fact. It's just that he made the worst first impression of anyone else in the series, and only now after years of, well, mostly comic books, has he got much appeal as a personality. My post was not about Silver always being shit forever or it being wrong that anyone liked him, just that he's never had the presence to match other characters and nowadays seems built for a different, better role.

I mean, Silver arguably went through more of a personality change since his first appearance than Amy ever did, but he's not the character people refuse to shut the fuck up about over petty inconsequential moments.