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The Sonic the Hedgehog Headcanon Thread of Lore and Time Stones

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  1. kazz

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    Does anyone else know why Shadow just appears on top of the Big Foot boss after Sonic defeats it? Never thought about it before but it's kinda odd. Was the Chaos Emerald inside the mech? Was Shadow supposed to be the one piloting it at some point? Seems like some kind of cut plot point to me. I know canonically Shadow stole the emerald and Sonic got the blame for it but that further begs the question why Shadow's just hanging around a GUN mech hunting him down.
     
  2. BlackHole

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    The Dark Side cutscene follows Radical Highway, where Shadow is being pursued by G.U.N., and Sonic is surrounded by G.U.N. moments later.

    Most likely, Shadow saw the wrecked G.U.N. mech and was stood on top of it to see who else G.U.N. were picking a fight with, and used Sonic as a convenient distraction for his own pursuers.
     
  3. Deep Dive Devin

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    They happened to cross paths and Shadow jumped on the broken mech to pose because he's a drama queen.
     
  4. DefinitiveDubs

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    Yeah, I assumed GUN were chasing both Sonic and Shadow and they just happened to run into each other. The Emerald was stolen from a museum and he was on the run.

    There's a cut line where Shadow addresses Eggman by name upon awakening, and it was even kept for Sonic X. So maybe in the original script, Shadow was somehow aware of the outside world before being awakened and he would've went to Sonic intentionally. That's actually what happens in X, but in the show, Eggman is the one who told him, whereas SA2 implies Shadow doesn't even know Sonic's name until the final battle.

    Sidenote: anyone else find it weird that Shadow is the one who fights Hot Shot, and not Eggman? It's the boss of Iron Gate, and it's the only boss in the entire story not fought with the character who did the stage (except Biolizard, but that's a weird case). If the player starts with Dark Story, it's a weird design decision to drop them into a new character, in a boss fight, with no time to get used to the controls. It's also weird that a GUN mech boss is fought by a treasure-hunting character and two speed characters, where it'd make more sense for each gameplay style to get one each.
     
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  5. Gestalt

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    I was there for the hedgehogs anyway. So no, not really. But I get what you mean. The Hero/Dark Side concept has its storytelling quirks.
     
  6. BlackHole

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    Headcanon: Sage is Nega's ancestor, the one his lineage comes from.

    I'm sure someone will point out the issue of her being an AI computer program, but Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Frontiers shows Cyberspace is a place organic matter can travel into and out of and let's face facts, if any family can make a organic body for a computer program, it's the Robotniks: Gerald made the Biolizard and Shadow, organic entities, after all. Robotnik really just needs to figure out how to get Sage into that body.

    Also, Sage Robotnik.
     
  7. Deep Dive Devin

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    Not like we've seen Eggman Nega bleed anyway. And hey, he's got white hair!

    Though if we're headcanoning about that guy, I'm gonna throw out that I think he's the perfect place to toss the ol' Julian first name from the Archie/SatAM days. Also so I don't have to walk on eggshells pronouncing "Nega".
     
  8. Sage being a digital creation I think is less of an issue than her being a child. If she is the ancestor of Nega, I hope she either gets an upgrade to an older appearance, or simply creates an AI of her own that she considers her child.
     
  9. BlackHole

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    I headcanon his name as Dr. Hugh Robotnik, from the Gaelic 'ugh' for egg. Just to keep that theme alive.

    If she is given a biobody, then growing is a thing.
     
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    I prefer the name "Eggman Neo", but I also prefer the backstory of him being an Eggman descendant from the far future. Or maybe someone that just took up the mantle.
     
  11. The mention of the submarine and stuff was in an article found in Official Sega Dreamcast Magazine #7.

    https://archive.org/stream/Official...fficial_Sega_Dreamcast_7_SepOct_2000_djvu.txt
     
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    I appreciate you linking that! It's strange that the Adventure 2 Retro Wiki page doesn't actually have this article as a citation. I can throw that in if need be, though I assume a lot of the more Wiki-savy people would prefer it links to a scan from Sega Retro?

    But Shadow the Hedgehog's article (indirectly) citing it feels weird to me. We don't actually have any direct confirmation that Shadow's branching routes were inspired by an idea from an earlier point in Adventure 2's development. It's plausible, but there's nothing suggesting the branching routes in Sonic Adventure 2 would've transferred you over to the Dark Story or vice versa (something closer to what Shadow does). The branching decision from the magazine just sounds like you would've visited an alternative level depending on your choice.

    I'd be in favor of changing the wording to perhaps say the concept is similar to a proposed branching route concept that Sonic Adventure 2 had at one point and might have taken inspiration from it.

    What's weird is that assuming this wasn't a hypothetical, there really aren't a whole lot of levels in the finished game that I think would work here that I could see the team hastily retooling. There isn't any sort of level that takes place in or near a submarine. Only Aquatic Mine seems like it might've worked as a potential level choice? I don't think this level has any sort of Dark Story equivalent, but then the Dark Story has Security Hall as it's own unique level type anyways.
     
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    There's actually an unused boss dialogue in the game of Sonic saying "Ah, my emerald! Give it back!". So it seems like there was possibly going to be some context for the Shadow boss battle of why Shadow can use chaos control. It would make sense that Shadow stole the emerald and Sonic has to fight for it back so he can throw it in the eclipse cannon
     
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  14. BlackHole

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    Hmm, makes you wonder why Shadow didn't just toss it over the side or throw it as far as possible so Sonic would be unable to retrieve it from space before it hit Earth's atmosphere. Thank you very much for that detail.
     
  15. kazz

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    All this SA2 speculation made me think about Metal Harbor's weird little unused musical prelude. City Escape makes use of its prelude and Green Forest's is timed perfectly to the "BLOWS UP?!" cutscene, meanwhile Metal Harbor's is just skipped right over. It did always strike me how you don't actually see Sonic escape Prison Lane directly and I have a feeling this indicates they meant to show that somehow.
     
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  16. I’ve seen very little discussion or fan work regarding Eggman rescuing Shadow after SA2. Which of his robots would have been able to save Shadow falling from space? Could it have been Metal Sonic? There’s something funny and unceremonious about Shadow’s body being hauled by a couple of Buzz Bombers or something.
     
  17. Deep Dive Devin

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    I like to think falling from space didn't effect Shadow's memory at all, instead it was something like this happening:
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  18. BlackHole

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    Perhaps that's what led Metal Sonic to rebel, transporting Shadow allowed Metal Sonic to scan Shadow, where it realised it was hopelessly outclassed and caused it to begin upgrading itself.
     
  19. Dr. Mecha

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    Here's my stupid ass Headcanon:

    Vanilla created Cream using her and Cheese DNA, all because she's lonely and couldn't conceive a child on her own; which is why Cream can understand chao and why Eggman wanted to capture her in Sonic Advance 2. I was going to include her involvement with GUN, but it's already farfetched as it is.
     
  20. Hoiyoihoi

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    So vanilla is secretly some rogue gun scientist? Thats cool. Vanilla secretly being an ex-gun is a head canon ive seen a few times before, buts it's usually as a retired super assassin black widow-styled. I support any opportunity to further integrated gun into main canon.

    In the adventure games chao can absorb animal characteristics so what if cream is just a chao that copied a rabbit until she became one?