The Sonic the Hedgehog Continuity Thread of Love and Timelines

But they were acknowledging he existed when, as far as we know, Sonic is the only one who remembers those events (possibly Blaze too, but Sonic Generations was fairly time-weird...) and thus Mephiles. Silver doesn't remember the events in Team Sonic Racing after Sonic teases him about something he did during that game, so...

 

I'm assuming that's why they took him out of the script. My point was that it wasn't the real Memphiles. (For those that haven't read the script)

 

Does anyone else think that Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces make absolutely no sense story-wise, and wrecks the continuity of multiple games in the series? Even Mania alone has me tearing my hair out trying to understand it, and learning more info about the game leaves me even more confused?

Like does Mania even have a story? How, where and when do Sonic, Tails & Knuckles recoup after Hydrocity, find the Tornado, and chase down Eggman and the Heavy Magician in Mirage Saloon? Do the Heavies even exist? How much of the game is an illusion, or does Mania's Ruby even follow the same rules as Forces'? How exactly did a prototype exit Forces' time period into Mania's?

How come something on the Phantom Ruby's scale of power just end up appearing on Eggman's doorstep or the crust of Angel Island? What even are the Ruby's origins?

A have a ton of other nitpicks about the games too. I'm not upset at the Mania or Forces team, but it feels like the development of them was to make a game first, think of the story second.

 

Yeah, we've been over the subject many a time. You forgot the Knuckles cutscene discrepancy in Sonic Mania, where the EggRobos bump into Knuckles when they should be in Green Hill Zone and Hard-Boiled Heavies.

Also, apparently, it's not the same Phantom Ruby in the Sonic Forces prequel comics, they were supposed to draw the unrefined ore but apparently never got the concept for it. So the Phantom Ruby of Sonic Mania just kinda disappears while Classic Sonic gets put into the middle of a warzone because ???...

 

It would only really make sense if sonic would be the only one seeing mephiles or if he was only around when sonic was, either way it just makes the already mess of a plot even more messy.

 

The point I was trying to make is that the games are not opposed to bringing him back in some form, despite Ian Flynn being denied his usage.

It just seems to me that SEGA want the games in control of the fate of game characters, so comics can not bring a game character back, at least not until the games do. Black Doom is forbidden until Shadow: Agent of G.U.N. or something reveals he was still alive.

Might also be why he's introducing so many comic-originating characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW Comics): he has more control, though if the Warp Topaz and Sally Acorn's fate with Endgame during Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics) is any indication, SEGA still ultimately have final say.

 

So this is a bit of headcannon(maybe), but I've always had an idea for the origins of the Phantom Ruby. See this excerpt from the manual of Chaotix:

Perhaps, the energy of the Master Emerald has to do with the appearance of the Phantom Ruby? We know that the Master Emerald has the capability to create the Chaos Rings, so what if the Phantom Ruby was created by Angel Island's impact during Sonic 3?

 

Problem there is the Chaos Rings were created by Robotnik via use of a "special" ring siphoning off the Master Emerald's energy.

The Phantom Ruby has thus far been implied to be 'natural', with Robotnik finding an unrefined ore outside his door.

That he uses to great effect against Knuckles. And then decides to try and recreate it once and stop entirely once done so instead of creating an army of Infinites...

Anyway.

 

That doesn't say that Eggman created the Chaos Rings. The artificial rings that Eggman created are called Dark Rings: https://info.sonicretro.org/Chaotix/Manuals#Translated_from_Japanese_manual

The "mysterious space created by the Special Ring" refers to the Special Stages and Bonus Stages that all of the game's Special Rings transport you to.

The Bonus Stage and Special Stage sections of the manual confirms that the rings that transport you there are Special Rings (this is the same terminology used in Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles' manuals).

The Bonus Stage section of the manual says that the Bonus Stage is a place filled with pillar energy: https://info.sonicretro.org/index.php?title=File:Chaotix_32X_JP_manual.pdf&page=32

The Special Stage section of the manual repeats the part about the Chaos Rings being crystalized pillar energy, formed in the space created by the ancient Special Ring, and makes no mention of them being Eggman's creations: https://info.sonicretro.org/index.php?title=File:Chaotix_32X_JP_manual.pdf&page=36

 

Ah, that's me misreading Special Ring as special ring, since the translation lacks capitals, and mistaking it for some sort of ancient device he was using to make the Chaos Rings, my bad.

Sonic the Comic's been on my brain recently and they had the ring be an ancient device, that's probably where I picked that idea up from.

Spoiler

 

From what's been unveiled of each classic game's development, over the years, it seems Sonic Team always tried to work on plot and play equally from the beginning.

 

6:48 - If classic sonic is just the past and not an alternate timeline why did the events of generations not affect his future adventures in any way? Is it a case where his adventures as we see them in game are only that way because Time Eater messed with time and if Time Eater was never a factor would the events of games like sa1, sa2 and heroes have happened differently then how we see them in game.

[Apparently there is still no official answer for that]

 

I always felt that with Sonic Team's games, or at least the Mega Drive/Genesis trilogy of Sonic games, they worked on the plot of the games and gameplay in tandem.

 

Simple answer: there was no change to the timeline. The Time Eater was an event that always occurred.

Classic Sonic only really fights Metal Sonic and the Death Egg Robot, Modern Sonic takes on Shadow, Perfect Chaos, Silver and Egg Dragoon, so he really doesn't get any new information to work with other than "at one point I visit an alien world... cool!"

The reason Modern Sonic doesn't remember it is down to that weird half-implemented subplot where Sonic appears to have amnesia, likely due to the Time Eater devouring his events. See: Sonic not recognising Green Hill Zone and Tails realising "we've been here before" in Chemical Plant.

Funny thing I noticed, Modern Sonic notes three specific instances regarding the weirdness of the situation:

"I've been to magic books and an alien amusement park."

Why is that notable? Because it's two events Robotnik was not involved with, so doubtful he cared to erase them, and the event that led to his encountering the Time Eater, setting up the current events.

 

Indeed, but without that park and specific event, there's no Time Eater, thus no Sonic Generations.

<slowly raises his Phantom Sonic idea to remove that particular continuity kerfuffle>

 

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