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The Sonic the Hedgehog Continuity Thread of Love and Timelines

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by dredd, Jul 6, 2020.

  1. Plorpus

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    I went back to watch Unleashed’s cutscenes after Frontiers, and it doesn’t contradict anything. The Gaia Manuscripts tell of one time that Dark Gaia appeared thousands of years ago and the temples were used. It’s later that we learn the cycle has been going on for the planet’s while life, which means that the temples, which can harness the emeralds, have to be a newer development.

    The thing that bugs me a little is that the ancients bringing the seven chaos emeralds to the master emerald and presumably building the shrine (or what would later become it) seems like it’s meant to lead into Sonic Adventure’s backstory, but countless other civilizations used the chaos emeralds in between then. It’s not actually a plot hole since the emeralds just end up scattering all over the place anyway and it’s not weird for them to return to the master emerald at some point, but it would be a better connection to SA if they’d just stayed there.
     
  2. Levi Church

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    Yeah other games have already established that other cultures used the emeralds before Pachacamac's era. Not really Frontiers' fault tho. I don't think I would enjoy the backstory as much if the game went "and then the Chaos Emeralds went into the Babylonians hands, then the Fourth Great Civilization, then West Side Island, then back to the Mystic Ruins." Like yeah, I know all of that, but it didn't need to be said either.
     
  3. Pengi

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    Which of these are explicitly before Pachacamac's era? Fourth Great Civilisation/Gizoid for sure, that was 4000 years ago and Pachacamac was 3000 years ago. Was a date ever put on the Babylonians? West Side Island's people had the Chaos Emeralds in the "distant past", which could very easily be after Pachacamac.
     
  4. Linkabel

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    Yeah, I don't remember those civilizations getting specific dates. If I'm remembering correctly the other only ancient ruins that get dated is when Black Doom mention they transported their temple/battleships 2000 years ago before the game.

    Even the Fourth Great Civilization doesn't necessarily have to contradict SA. From what I understand, the Master Emerald shrine was a separate thing from the Echidna civilization.

    So I don't see a problem that the shrine existed during that particular civilization, is just that maybe Chaos or the barrier didn't exist yet so they had access to the emeralds.

    Might even help explain the Gaia temples. Every time the emeralds were needed then the emeralds were taken from the shrine and put back after their use.
     
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  5. Levi Church

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    I use the real world time frame for the Babylonians for my timeline doc but as for in game evidence Tails said they were from the ancient past, which is vague but it implies a much longer time ago than Pachacamac and Tikal's era to me at least. It is admittedly more so headcanon than actual canon but I would hope any future Babylonian stories also take into account real world history. As for the West Side Island stuff I also have no idea when it happens. That might not even be canon anymore. It's up to the lore team at Sega now I guess to decide.
     
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  6. The KKM

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    The biggest element the Babylonians in Sonic have regarding ancient existence beyond their own name is the magic carpet, which is something the earliest example we have of is Solomon's from the Bible- which would've been a bit less than 3000 years ago. For what it's worth.
     
  7. Pengi

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    If I recall correctly, the key (cube) to the Babylon Garden requires the 7 Chaos Emeralds, but there's no other connection between the Babylonians and the emeralds. The Babylon Garden itself was their spaceship, so must predate them having access to the Chaos Emeralds.

    The key also reacts to and activates the magic carpet. The chest with the magic carpet has a message from Stolen, the 13th leader of the Babylon Rogues, describing the carpet as a ground-breaking new invention (Tails and Wave notice that it's made from the same material as Extreme Gears, and is likely a prototype).

    So the Babylon Rogues were around for a long time before they even invented the magic carpet. They could have come to Earth long before Pachacamac's era, but not had access to the Chaos Emeralds until after Pachacamac's demise.

    It's also possible that they never had access to the Chaos Emeralds, but Eggman knew that the key would need a big energy source to revive the Babylon Garden.
     
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