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  1. Namo

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    <!--quoteo(post=493652:date=Aug 20 2010, 01:45 AM:name=Effexor)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Effexor @ Aug 20 2010, 01:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493652">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=493608:date=Aug 19 2010, 11:33 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 19 2010, 11:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493608">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How about we all just wait until the game is actually out? I personally think the game was really bad at the state it was meant to be released in July, but even I'm willing to give them a small chance to fix things. We already know everything we want changed will not be done in the first episode, but we still have a list of changes coming, so at least wait until we get the full extent of the changes before complaining.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Who are you, and what did you do to Polygon Jim?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    *Canned Sitcom Laughter*
    I can't help but agree with Polygon Jim though.

    <!--quoteo(post=493608:date=Aug 19 2010, 11:33 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 19 2010, 11:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493608">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->On topic: The next update is in about 2-3 weeks (early September). We might get Casino Street stuff then, along with it's Act 2 change. Even if it doesn't, I can definitely see uncurling be brought up. I mean, heck. If they have time to redo Sonic's running animation, they can certainly remove uncurling, right? Especially considering the amount of backlash it got.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The whole uncurling thing doesn't sound that bad to me. The way GeneHF described it, it's only a problem if you're an idiot about jump boosting.

    Also:
    <!--quoteo(post=493648:date=Aug 20 2010, 01:34 AM:name=Zephyr)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zephyr @ Aug 20 2010, 01:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493648">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, dashpads force you into a roll.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I think this is a precaution, in case a dashpad leads you into an enemy. If you're rolling it'll kill the enemy and all that.
     
  2. Solid SOAP

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    I really don't see why it was included in the first place, it just makes slopes really fucking annoying and discourages the spin-dash even more. I think Sonic 4 looks like an alright game, but there are some desgin flaws such as that which could really make something potentially good into something annoying to play.
     
  3. Solaris Paradox

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    I'm working on working up the willpower to work on learning how to make my own Sonic fangames. Not quite there yet.
    <!--quoteo(post=493653:date=Aug 20 2010, 01:50 AM:name=Namo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namo @ Aug 20 2010, 01:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493653">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this is a precaution, in case a dashpad leads you into an enemy. If you're rolling it'll kill the enemy and all that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    "Precaution?" Because I'm sure the designer who put the dash pad there had no idea he'd also put a pair of Motobugs on the slope right in front of it.
     
  4. Namo

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    <!--quoteo(post=493656:date=Aug 20 2010, 02:04 AM:name=Solaris Paradox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solaris Paradox @ Aug 20 2010, 02:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493656">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=493653:date=Aug 20 2010, 01:50 AM:name=Namo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namo @ Aug 20 2010, 01:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493653">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this is a precaution, in case a dashpad leads you into an enemy. If you're rolling it'll kill the enemy and all that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    "Precaution?" Because I'm sure the designer who put the dash pad there had no idea he'd also put a pair of Motobugs on the slope right in front of it.
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    Heh, at this point, I wouldn't even doubt that someone would do that.
     
  5. Zephyr

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    <!--quoteo(post=493653:date=Aug 19 2010, 10:50 PM:name=Namo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namo @ Aug 19 2010, 10:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493653">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this is a precaution, in case a dashpad leads you into an enemy. If you're rolling it'll kill the enemy and all that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    In that sense though, its just creating one more design flaw to compensate for another.

    <!--quoteo(post=493654:date=Aug 19 2010, 10:51 PM:name=Solid SOAP)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solid SOAP @ Aug 19 2010, 10:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493654">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think Sonic 4 looks like an alright game, but there are some desgin flaws such as that which could really make something potentially good into something annoying to play.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Exactly why I likened the situation to the Homing Attack/Air Boost issue with Unleashed HD.


    But again, we're still luckily at the point where this is all subject to possible change.
     
  6. MarkoMan

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    <!--quoteo(post=493656:date=Aug 20 2010, 02:04 AM:name=Solaris Paradox)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Solaris Paradox @ Aug 20 2010, 02:04 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493656">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=493653:date=Aug 20 2010, 01:50 AM:name=Namo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Namo @ Aug 20 2010, 01:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493653">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think this is a precaution, in case a dashpad leads you into an enemy. If you're rolling it'll kill the enemy and all that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    "Precaution?" Because I'm sure the designer who put the dash pad there had no idea he'd also put a pair of Motobugs on the slope right in front of it.
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    Reminds me of the asshole who put a red spring in Marble Gardens Act 2 that sent you dead into a set of spikes.
    Or the asshole that didn't know if you go too fast in that S pipe in Green Hill that you'd die from a bottomless pit that did have a botttom.
    Or the asshole who thought it was a good idea to put Whisps at the top of the spring jump out of the water in Aquatic Ruins 2.

    I can literally do this all day.
     
  7. Aquaslash

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    And you'll do it less rudely, or you won't do it at all. :)
     
  8. And let's not forget the spring in Marble Garden that either sent you into the spiky side of a Caterkiller, or if you destroyed them, sent you uncontrollably careening into a pool of lava.

    Anyhoo, dashpads need not force you into a roll, even if there are enemies there. Sonic can roll manually if he chooses to. Sonic levels generally require you to memorize them to get good at them, hence the previous statement
     
  9. Skyler

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    <!--quoteo(post=493674:date=Aug 20 2010, 12:21 AM:name=HarrisonJ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HarrisonJ @ Aug 20 2010, 12:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493674">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And let's not forget the spring in Marble <strike>Garden</strike> that either sent you into the spiky side of a Caterkiller, or if you destroyed them, sent you uncontrollably careening into a pool of lava.

    Anyhoo, dashpads need not force you into a roll, even if there are enemies there. Sonic can roll manually if he chooses to. Sonic levels generally require you to memorize them to get good at them, hence the previous statement<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fixed that for you. :eng101:
     
  10. ICEknight

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    Yeah... curling into a ball should definately be the player's decision, and it's quite absurd that the game decides to uncurl Sonic in the air if he was already spinning.

    It's like the game itself sometimes auto-protects you and sometimes makes you vulnerable on purpose. Like it's cheating, doing stuff you didn't command it to, which no doubt will feel frustrating in many situations.



    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Now, you'll be able to trigger the blurry feet faster, and in a time frame more comparable to the classics.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Hey, this is pretty cool.

    <!--quoteo(post=493500:date=Aug 19 2010, 05:27 PM:name=Scartillery)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scartillery @ Aug 19 2010, 05:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493500">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They did notice the small problems. They changed the fucking running animation. If they changed that, then I'm sure they changed other "small nitpicks"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh wow, let's not blow it out of proportion. That change probably took a couple of hours at most, and it was something that anybody who had played the classics would have noticed, making it one of the features of the Rush engine they should have changed first, along with the physics.


    By the way, if you guys want any big changes, you should try to get ahold of that biker who got the Scrapper out of Epic Mickey so the game wouldn't destroy his childhood. =P
     
  11. Vandelay

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    If the physics and the uncurling aren't addressed this game will fail.
    Also I agree, the dashpad shouldn't force you into a roll. Sonic can just roll into a ball anyway. This game doesn't need to hold your hand. One thing about the classics that made them great was that you had to figure out the best routes to take. Not "dashpad, spring, dashpad, zipline, spring, dashpad end"
     
  12. Namo

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    <!--quoteo(post=493677:date=Aug 20 2010, 03:30 AM:name=ICEknight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ICEknight @ Aug 20 2010, 03:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493677">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->By the way, if you guys want any big changes, you should try to get ahold of that biker who got the Scrapper out of Epic Mickey so the game wouldn't destroy his childhood. =P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And here I thought Bikers were rough n' tough.
     
  13. Afti

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    <!--quoteo(post=493677:date=Aug 20 2010, 03:30 AM:name=ICEknight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ICEknight @ Aug 20 2010, 03:30 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493677">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->By the way, if you guys want any big changes, you should try to get ahold of that biker who got the Scrapper out of Epic Mickey so the game wouldn't destroy his childhood. =P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What the shit? Link, please?!
     
  14. ICEknight

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    <!--quoteo(post=493694:date=Aug 20 2010, 03:28 AM:name=Afti)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Afti @ Aug 20 2010, 03:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493694">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What the shit? Link, please?!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sure. <a href="http://www.1up.com/news/scrapper-mickey-removed-disney-epic" target="_blank">Here</a>.
     
  15. Afti

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    Fuck. Hope you can get it back with Ocarina.
     
  16. TimmiT

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    So I played this at Gamescom.
    Before anyone asks about changes in the game: it was the E3 demo, but in German. (at least, it seemed like it)
    I can't really tell you all much new except for what's been said. I only played the first 2 acts. I liked it, but if you're going to compare it to the Genesis games, you're only going to ruin this game for yourself.
    Also, Sonic Colours was better.
     
  17. Kurosan

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    <!--quoteo(post=493695:date=Aug 20 2010, 02:32 AM:name=ICEknight)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ICEknight @ Aug 20 2010, 02:32 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493695">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=493694:date=Aug 20 2010, 03:28 AM:name=Afti)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Afti @ Aug 20 2010, 03:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493694">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What the shit? Link, please?!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sure. <a href="http://www.1up.com/news/scrapper-mickey-removed-disney-epic" target="_blank">Here</a>.
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    HOLY SHIT! We need to find a biker who likes Sonic. NOW.
     
  18. OSM

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    "NO, GREEN EYES! DON'T RUIN MY CHILDHOOD SEGA!"

    I wish it were that simple.
     
  19. Demi

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    Of the 3 Sonic 4 tracks I've heard so far, Title Screen, Zone 1 and Zone 2, I like all of them so far. They're perfectly fine in my opinion.
     
  20. MarkoMan

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    <!--quoteo(post=493666:date=Aug 20 2010, 02:54 AM:name=Aquaslash)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aquaslash @ Aug 20 2010, 02:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=493666">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And you'll do it less rudely, or you won't do it at all. :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    lol

    My point is that "bad enemy placement" has existed since... well, Donkey Kong. And I'm willing to bet that it existed before that.
    I will admit that the bottomless pits may be a bit absurd for a Sonic game (in Sonic Advance 2, you can't pass Sky Canyon Act 1's lower level if you never read the manual), but I'm not buying enemy placement gripes.

    At this point, I'm more worried about how bad the roll is...

    Off-topic: lol @ someone who wouldn't even play the game affecting Epic Mickey. Amazing decision? Or stupid decision?
     
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