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  1. <!--quoteo(post=497534:date=Aug 29 2010, 02:55 AM:name=Neo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neo @ Aug 29 2010, 02:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497534">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497514:date=Aug 28 2010, 05:23 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 05:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497514">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->My only real criticism of the model is that the face lacks character. The eyes are a bit dead, and he has no mouth, but I'd say it's far from terrible (I say that as objectively as I can as the guy who actually made it)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This could easily be fixed by just adding some white ellipses toward the top of his eyes, like the high resolution artwork did:


    Another one on the nose could look nice, but isn't really necessary.

    <!--quoteo(post=497506:date=Aug 28 2010, 05:14 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 05:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497506">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've been following this thread, and I'm glad people have taken an interest in it. It's been fun reading the feedback of what people liked and didn't like.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What I liked the most was how it followed the original game's output (camera and actors' positions), before I realized it was an animation built on top of a prerecorded clip, which while not as exciting as a perfect 3D conversion of the game's engine, is still pretty gosh-darn awesome to see how everything lines up nearly perfectly with the original game. I personally really liked the uncurling bridge near the end of the clip, very nicely done.

    Faults I could just go on forever pointing out how the grass doesn't have the subdued checkerboard pattern of the original, how the bubble shield doesn't look or animate like the original, and how the HUD doesn't even try to look like an upscaled version of the original, but I'll just leave you with three notes:

    <ul><li>Sonic's animations don't seem to match the original sprites too much. The sprites intentionally portrayed Sonic almost constantly at a 3/4 perspective, which helps to solve the "overlapping spikes" problem, only having Sonic's head turn side to side while he's picking up speed in his walking animation. When he's spinning/rolling, his sprite also flickers between full detail and a simple opaque sphere with a white shine in the top front corner, which helps to sell the idea that he's really curled himself into a perfect ball, and that he's spinning at a very fast speed by preventing our eyes from constantly being able to track his rotation.

    </li><li>When the leaves curl up to make a quarter-pipe leading into a wall, the leaves are cut very abruptly with a straight line, immediately switching to the wall texture instead of having a smoother transition where the layer of leaves starts to diminish and become thinner. This is very jarring when you take into consideration the amount of detail applied to the rest of the leaf layer.

    </li><li>This one is simple enough, Sonic doesn't flicker after taking damage from the enemy. I have to wonder why you left this one out, it should have been easy enough to simple toggle the Sonic model in and out depending on if he actually appears in the source frame or not.</li></ul>
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    The problem with the 3/4 perspective issue you've raised is that I can't just rotate the model, because then he's no longer moving in the direction he's facing. Not a problem in the pseudo-3D angled look of the original of course. The best solution to that graphically would probably be to have the camera be a bit further ahead and angle it back towards him, although from a gameplay perspective that seems somewhat counter-intuitive to be slightly facing behind you rather than ahead. It might work in practice, but on paper it just seems off. Something to ponder.

    You're completely right about the eyes. I did infact originally have the specular highlights for the eyes and nose, but unfortunately that's too reliant on the lighting, and with the HDR lighting I was using, it was too unpredictable to be worth it considering how small it would be on screen anyway. In realtime you could use a cheap environment map, which would probably look perfect. Now I think about it, there's no reason I couldn't have done it that way rendered either.

    It's always a tough call on how to convert the graphics. I wanted to go for a fairly realistic look for the ground, and it was the basis for my conversion of
    MHZ to 3D. I don't think it would have had the visual impact if I'd used the less realistic checkerboard look. I tried my best to keep the original feel in 3D, but sometimes I just had to say "screw it" and go with something more realistic. The problem I've seen with other mockup images of Sonic in 3D is that they go too realistic and forget the fact that Sonic levels looked great because of the strong visual cues and palette. I tried my best to balance that out. The purpose of this video was to see if that balance was possible while maintaining that vibe.

    The HUD was a bit of an afterthought, so it was a bit meh. I tried sticking to the original design, but it just didn't feel like it all fit together to me, so I made it a bit more consistent. Maybe not quite as good, but it stood out nicely against the level. I'm not too happy with it, but 2D design isn't my strong point, and it would have taken too long for me to get it looking good.

    Now to respond to your 3 notes-
    1. I didn't try it with the perfect sphere flickering, but I personally really liked the way it looked this way, so never felt the need to try it the other way. Something to think about in future perhaps.
    2. Just plain laziness on my part. I meant to add an alpha map to it to create a rougher edge, but this was only a quick test, and I just wanted to finish it up. If I were to make this for a real project, that would definitely be the first thing I'd fix. Well spotted.
    3. See above. I forgot to add the flickering before I rendered it, meaning that to do something as simple as flicker Sonic, I'd have to re-render those frames without Sonic. More of a nuisance to fix after it's been rendered, so I didn't bother. I didn't feel it detracted from the overall video, even though it was a glaring inaccuracy. Surprisingly few people have mentioned it luckily.



    <!--quoteo(post=497535:date=Aug 29 2010, 02:58 AM:name=Damizean)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Damizean @ Aug 29 2010, 02:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497535">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In case you're interested in letting me play with the MHZ mesh, the Egg Engine is made with Unity (the current version at least). I think (from seeing a couple posts at the Unity forums) you know how to use :o<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Cool. I didn't know the Egg Engine was done with Unity. I've only recently gotten into Unity myself, but I'm not new to programming, and I've even attempted a basic platformer engine in it myself. I'd be interested in finding out more about how you're achieving the movement. You can go ahead and PM/email/IM me and we can discuss sharing some resources. What program are you using to create your models?
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=497548:date=Aug 28 2010, 06:23 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497548">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The problem with the 3/4 perspective issue you've raised is that I can't just rotate the model, because then he's no longer moving in the direction he's facing. Not a problem in the pseudo-3D angled look of the original of course. The best solution to that graphically would probably be to have the camera be a bit further ahead and angle it back towards him, although from a gameplay perspective that seems somewhat counter-intuitive to be slightly facing behind you rather than ahead. It might work in practice, but on paper it just seems off. Something to ponder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think you could get away with using a 3/4 perspective for the non running/spinning animations (standing still, bouncing from the mushroom, taking damage) and just have the head in a 3/4 for the running animations. Like I mentioned, though, it'd be great if you could have Sonic turn his head left and right while he's in his walking cycle instead of constantly facing forward or another single direction, which looks a bit odd.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

    <!--quoteo(post=497528:date=Aug 28 2010, 05:46 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 05:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497528">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If I were to do another video, I'd probably go with something from Sonic 2. ARZ would look totally badass, although it's never been my favourite level, so maybe CPZ or OOZ.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OOZ? Yes, please.
     
  4. <!--quoteo(post=497555:date=Aug 29 2010, 03:38 AM:name=Neo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Neo @ Aug 29 2010, 03:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497555">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497548:date=Aug 28 2010, 06:23 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 06:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497548">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The problem with the 3/4 perspective issue you've raised is that I can't just rotate the model, because then he's no longer moving in the direction he's facing. Not a problem in the pseudo-3D angled look of the original of course. The best solution to that graphically would probably be to have the camera be a bit further ahead and angle it back towards him, although from a gameplay perspective that seems somewhat counter-intuitive to be slightly facing behind you rather than ahead. It might work in practice, but on paper it just seems off. Something to ponder.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think you could get away with using a 3/4 perspective for the non running/spinning animations (standing still, bouncing from the mushroom, taking damage) and just have the head in a 3/4 for the running animations. Like I mentioned, though, it'd be great if you could have Sonic turn his head left and right while he's in his walking cycle instead of constantly facing forward or another single direction, which looks a bit odd.
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    He does turn his head left and right while walking, it just doesn't move enough to make any difference in that regard. With how fast the animation plays when he's walking quickly, I thought it would look weird to have his head turn too quickly. Perhaps the angling of the camera can be based on how fast you're moving. When Sonic is standing still, it can have a 3/4 angle, and as you get up to speed it can level of to flat so you can see ahead better.
    I didn't do anything to adapt the camera work to the 3D perspective (just a direct copy of the 2D movement), since it didn't need to be playable, but if anyone were to make this playable, the camera work would be more of an issue to consider.
     
  5. Dude

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    <!--quoteo(post=497528:date=Aug 28 2010, 12:46 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 12:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497528">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497516:date=Aug 29 2010, 02:25 AM:name=Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dude @ Aug 29 2010, 02:25 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497516">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497514:date=Aug 28 2010, 12:23 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 12:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497514">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I intentionally made the spines thin and spiky so they'd show up better in the predominantly side-on view (otherwise they tend to blur together a bit too much). My only real criticism of the model is that the face lacks character. The eyes are a bit dead, and he has no mouth, but I'd say it's far from terrible (I say that as objectively as I can as the guy who actually made it)

    The render times were quite short, as I don't currently have my render farm set up, so this was all done on the one machine. Average of about 2 minutes per frame at 640x360 (sorry guys, no higher def render available!), and then about 1:30 a frame for the light rays pass. Anyone who's worked with 3D graphics will tell you that 2 minutes a frame is a dang short render, so these renders aren't too unrealistic for realtime. Most of the magic was in post effects.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I know what you mean about the render times. Were you using Global Illumination or some other form if lighting? GI render times make me want to pull my hair out.
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    No GI (I don't have the rendering power to do that for an animation), but I did use final gather, but with extremely low settings. It's a bit flickery in places, but the overall ambience was still nice.

    <!--quoteo(post=497522:date=Aug 29 2010, 02:34 AM:name=Azukara)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Azukara @ Aug 29 2010, 02:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497522">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The design of Sonic in this reminds me of Sonic 1/CD's design but with a slight edge of SA1 involved (thinner and slightly droopier spikes, new shoes). I like it.

    Also yes I indeed support you making another video or something like that. It was really awesome and should be done again. :) Question is, what level?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The design for Sonic was basically an amalgamation of every good classic Sonic design I could find, ranging from Sonic 1 to the Sonic 3D box art. It wasn't originally made with Sonic 3&K specifically in mind.

    If I were to do another video, I'd probably go with something from Sonic 2.
    ARZ would look totally badass, although it's never been my favourite level, so maybe CPZ or OOZ. If anything, I'd love to go for an original level altogether, but the logistics of animating it without the safety net of essentially "tracing" a video makes that concept a bit difficult, unless I were to just build a realtime Sonic engine, and I don't think I'm that into it.
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    I'm working on my own 3d rendition of CPZ for my SADX hack, I think if you did your next video in Chemical Plant it would give me lots of design inspiration =P
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    <!--quoteo(post=497506:date=Aug 28 2010, 11:14 AM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 11:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497506">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As a friendly peace offering, here's a quick render of the Sonic model I made for the video. After seeing the comments on Youtube and looking through the redesign Sonic thread here, and after attempting to animate those stumpy legs into walking, definitely not the design I'd use next time, but still not a bad classic Sonic 3D adaptation.
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    Neat! Kinda reminds me of the model used in Sonic 3D Blast.

    ...Were I to make some nitpicks, though, I'd say that his spines are just a tad too long. There's also the "no expression" thing but you mentioned that already.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
     
  8. <!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
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    So find me YOUR perfect 3D Sonic model, because all I ever see you do is shout at people about how much their efforts suck.
     
  9. Polygon Jim

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    <!--quoteo(post=497581:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM:name=Wolf Rogers)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wolf Rogers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497581">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
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    So find me YOUR perfect 3D Sonic model, because all I ever see you do is shout at people about how much their efforts suck.
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    There is no perfect 3D Sonic model, that doesn't mean one can't be worse than others.
     
  10. <!--quoteo(post=497582:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:50 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 07:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497582">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497581:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM:name=Wolf Rogers)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wolf Rogers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497581">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
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    So find me YOUR perfect 3D Sonic model, because all I ever see you do is shout at people about how much their efforts suck.
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    There is no perfect 3D Sonic model, that doesn't mean one can't be worse than others.
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    Then find me one that you LIKE, you know, I just want to see you say something Positive for a change instead of hating on everyone.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:44 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 02:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
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    You are so incredibly lazy, and awful at giving critique. The least you could have done is give him a drawover:
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    (image by of Nr1_sonic&tailsfan)

    srsly jim you're good but you're not the god of 3d
     
  12. Mr. Pictures

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    Hey Blob, you said you had your own ideas for a Sonic stage? I'd love to see what you can come up with.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 11:44 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 11:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
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    What? He certainly doesn't have the ridiculous long legs that have plagued current Sonic. He doesn't have current Sonic's dumbass smirk:

    [​IMG]

    The model isn't perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as current Sonic, and it doesn't have many of the problems with current Sonic.
     
  14. Polygon Jim

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    All the bitches.
    <!--quoteo(post=497584:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:52 PM:name=Wolf Rogers)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wolf Rogers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497584">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497582:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:50 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 07:50 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497582">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497581:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM:name=Wolf Rogers)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wolf Rogers @ Aug 28 2010, 02:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497581">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 07:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

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    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
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    So find me YOUR perfect 3D Sonic model, because all I ever see you do is shout at people about how much their efforts suck.
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    There is no perfect 3D Sonic model, that doesn't mean one can't be worse than others.
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    Then find me one that you LIKE, you know, I just want to see you say something Positive for a change instead of hating on everyone.
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    Well I can say I adore this one. It has some problems still but is it's own style and it was put together very nicely.
     
  15. Namo

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    <!--quoteo(post=497588:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:54 PM:name=Covarr)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Covarr @ Aug 28 2010, 02:54 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497588">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497579:date=Aug 28 2010, 11:44 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 11:44 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497579">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497566:date=Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM:name=Ritz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ritz @ Aug 28 2010, 02:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497566">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=497511:date=Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM:name=Polygon Jim)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Polygon Jim @ Aug 28 2010, 08:21 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I still have to say the design looks terrible on the Sonic. The model itself was nicely made, but the design is bad.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A word of advice: Don't listen to anything this guy says. Nobody respects his opinion and you shouldn't either. In fact, coming here was probably a mistake! It's all fun and games now, but once these people rope you in, they'll work you like a dog and they'll never, ever be satisfied.

    Honestly, this is the best Sonic model I've yet seen. Doesn't look too appealing in motion from a profile view, but the design is solid.

    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Stop being a cunt.

    Also the design is just classic Sonic mixed with everything bad about current Sonic. Long arms, and spikes. I would not define that as good design.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What? He certainly doesn't have the ridiculous long legs that have plagued current Sonic. He doesn't have current Sonic's dumbass smirk:

    [​IMG]

    The model isn't perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as current Sonic, and it doesn't have many of the problems with current Sonic.
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    And most importantly, his hands aren't fucking gigantic.
     
  16. Naean

    Naean

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    Not trying to act like an authority on this forum, but I really don't like the tone of posts and exchanges of words this thread is starting to head in....
     
  17. Sparks

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    Hmm, personally I'd like to see your own original stages. :)
     
  18. Chimpo

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    Wolf, Ritz, Rogers, stop being such fucking idiots and derailing this thread with your horse shit. Keep the comments related to the model rather than taking shots at each other.
     
  19. Bostwick

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    <!--quoteo(post=497528:date=Aug 28 2010, 12:46 PM:name=BlobVanDam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BlobVanDam @ Aug 28 2010, 12:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497528">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ARZ would look totally badass, although it's never been my favourite level, so maybe CPZ or OOZ. If anything, I'd love to go for an original level altogether, but the logistics of animating it without the safety net of essentially "tracing" a video makes that concept a bit difficult, unless I were to just build a realtime Sonic engine, and I don't think I'm that into it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I have an idea: Maybe record a video of you playing through any level of your choice, then creating entirely new graphics when animating over the video so it looks like a brand new level. Cheap technique maybe, but it would still look awesome.
     
  20. <!--quoteo(post=497586:date=Aug 28 2010, 07:52 PM:name=Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dude @ Aug 28 2010, 07:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=497586">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You are so incredibly lazy, and awful at giving critique. The least you could have done is give him a drawover:
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    srsly jim you're good but you're not the god of 3d<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Subtle but nice improvements there, I liked his original 3D model to, if I'm honest, the SLIGHTLY longer quills here arn't bad, they are nowhere near as long as Modern Sonic's that kinda makes him look like one of the Aliens from, err, Aliens. At least from a side view point anyway.
     
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