Spinball needs more recognition

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by AppleSauce, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. AppleSauce


    It's now illegal to use your meme! Member
    The other day I plugged in my SEGA Mega Drive, and had a look through some games to play. I chose Sonic Spinball, and played up to The Machine. It was then that I realised, why not make some hacks of Spinball? To my surprise, a split disassembly of Sonic Spinball is not available. There is, however, an IDA disasm. IDA is, in my opinion, the WORST hacking utility ever. It's shocking that nobody has even attempted a split disasm of the game. Now, I'm asking for one, and hopefully one of y'all delivers.

    I'm not begging though, and if you do make one, take your time. I can wait.

    EDIT: Okay, maybe I was begging. Therefore, I'll do it myself, and after reading a few comments on this thread, I am considering making a Spinball themed hack of Sonic 2.
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  2. JuiceCake


    Nickname: Kolix Member
    Sonic Spinball is one of those games that kinda gets repetitive, so playing the same gameplay formula that can get boring after 40 min. So i guess... if you want to play more of p̶i̶n̶b̶a̶l̶l̶ spinball then great, but most people don't
  3. Travelsonic


    I view IDA as more of a utility for reverse engineering things - and figuring out, as well, things to tweak (and how to go about it) - for example, the graph view and proximity browser helps a fuckton for tracing the loading and manipulation of data (especially when armed with an emulator with debugging tools).
  4. AppleSauce


    It's now illegal to use your meme! Member
    That's... An excellent point.

    Spinball remains my favourite Sonic game, though.
  5. AppleSauce


    It's now illegal to use your meme! Member
    True. I just wish someone made a split disasm.
  6. Fred


    Taking a break Oldbie
    Sonic 3 Unlocked
    Yeah you are.

    Also, IDA is an extremely powerful technical piece of software, not a "hacking utility," and it's telling that you didn't realize how ridiculous you'd sound by calling it one.
  7. AppleSauce


    It's now illegal to use your meme! Member
    I stand corrected.
  8. Be the change you want to see in the world. If you want a split disassembly of the game then the tools exist to make it happen, go make it happen instead of asking others to do work for you.
  9. Ravenfreak


    Is actually a guy. Tech Member
    O'Fallon Mo
    Hacking Sonic Drift, Writer at Sonic Cage Dome
    No one is going to make a split disassembly for you. That said if you can get the tools to open up the disassembly at least it exists for a starting point. Spinball is okay, certainly isn't the best Sonic game. Also on that note, Spinball was the only genesis Sonic game that was written in C iirc, so it doesn't even use the same language as the other 16 bit titles and thus is most likely the reason such a disassembly doesn't exist yet. (Or it could just be from lack of popularity...)
  10. Rosiero


    I can play pinball for hours. Spinball just controls like ass and is designed to troll you.
  11. almeda


    taking on the light. Member
    I don't want to be rude but....don't nobody like that game enough to do all that, and definitely not enough to do it simply because you came here and asked them to. That's what seems a bit rude here. You also seem to have good intentions though, however this is the sort of thing you have to learn for yourself, and not rely on others for it. Sorry.

    Maybe you came here asking for others to do the work for you because the task at hand seems like it's way too hard for you, but it's that sort of mentality that holds you back from doing anything in the first place. Try doing some research. Learn some more. A lot of things like this may take a lot of time, years of work even, but this is how a lot of important and great things come to life in this world, and if you're really dedicated to something like this, you will see it's worth, and reap the benefits. Sometimes all you have to do is truly believe that you can do it, and take action.
  12. Dee Liteyears

    Dee Liteyears

    deep in the past
    Spriting and hardly getting shit done
    To this day I still wonder how a Spinball themed hack or fangame would fare using the standard Sonic physics
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  13. AppleSauce


    It's now illegal to use your meme! Member
    Well, I'm not the brightest, but I'll try.

    Same. It could be interesting.
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  14. LordOfSquad


    bobs over baghdad Member
    Winnipeg, MB
    making cool music no one gives a shit about
    I’ve dreamed about this too, a whole game of Casino Night Zones. Might be interesting. More fun than Spinball, anyway.
  15. The Joebro64

    The Joebro64

    Joe Mama Member
    I recall reading somewhere that the classics' physics were heavily inspired by pinball, so the possibility of a game entirely comprising Casino Night-like zones is realistic.

    Then again, that's what STI was trying to do with Spinball...
  16. I agree, Spinball is a decent game with some flaws but regardless likely needs a rerelease or even a remake. And yeah, Spinball does need more recognition, not a lot of people know about this game.
  17. JuiceCake


    Nickname: Kolix Member
    I get pinball, its fast and really mesemorizing. But SPINBALL on the other hand is a game with kinda weird like maze design with some questionble collision, but somehow its really fun for the first hour. Matter of fact, you can beat spinball under an hour if your skilld or know the design of the acts. But everyone is right, its desgin is awful for the players.
  18. Sid Starkiller

    Sid Starkiller

    Virginia, USA
    Paying off student loans
    I like the first 3 levels of Spinball, but the last one I feel is too much of a difficulty spike. But it's definitely not a game I'd come back to regularly. Once or twice a decade at best.
  19. Black Squirrel

    Black Squirrel

    this is what KLF is about Wiki Sysop
    Spinball has better pinball physics than Sonic 2 and CD. Or at least better flippers. It's the platforming part that lets it down... and everything past Lava Powerhouse. But the bonus stages aren't terrible.

    I don't know how realistic it is to make the movement and collision more in-line with either the mainstream Sonics or mainstream pinball - it would be nice to see it happen, but I think the better course of action is to integrate more pinball ideas into a classic Sonic title.
  20. Lostgame


    turntablist, dinosaur goddess Oldbie
    Toronto, ON
    The O.I.C.
    I remember doing some work on the art compression format for Spinball back in the day. I very much enjoy its art style.

    It controls like ass, though. I mostly wanted to work on the art's compression format because it was undiscovered at the time (~17 years ago) and I wanted to see if there was any unused art. :)