Sonic X-treme STI Engines, Saturn, PC, Win95-PC+NV1, +V37 Level Editor

Andrew75 · Feb 25, 2015

InvisibleUp said:

Well, this is awesome. Well, really, awesome is an understatement. This is the holy grail of Sonic prototypes. (At least, unless Sonic 1 or 3 decides to show up, anyways.) Is this based on that level editor or is this a completely new thing? Anyways, can't wait for those new levels to come!

Also, if anybody was interested I was messing with those .DEF files and I've made some physics tweaks that make it feel a bit more like a Sonic game. Here's the pastebin if anybody wants to try it: http://pastebin.com/VsUG8d5W
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My next Holy Grail would be Sonic Cd's lost levels.
Also Nice job on tweaks. I have a few Tweaks of my own that feel comfortable, couldn''t release them in the pack though since it wasn't X-treme E3 enough.
Only one complaint, the camera scaling of the level is a bit much, sure we can see sonic better but the level depth changed too much,
In a future update we may be able to control camera distance parameters without having to use the depth scale tweak.

Also it may be a good idea to post your tweaks here. :P
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=34041

Sappharad · Feb 25, 2015

synchronizer said:

This did not work in Wine, but I didn't expect it to work. (few-year-old mac) Even if it did, it would suffer from a low frame rate. Ah well, it's good to see this prototype released.
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Works on my machine. (7 year old Mac Pro running OS X 10.10.3) Using WINE via CrossOver. Performance is fine too, runs full speed.

I think WINE doesn't like the low resolution the game tries to run it. Just enable Virtual Desktop in WINE configuration to force it to run in a window, then it works fine.

Juki · Feb 25, 2015

Huh. So, this happened. Cool!

edit: wtf emerald hunt?

McAleeCh · Feb 25, 2015

Holy crap, I'm late to this party! Astounding news here, all thanks to the amazing work of JollyRoger! = D I never thought the day would come when a build of the actual Sonic X-treme would make it into public hands in a playable state, let alone ported to modern systems by hand...!

Don't have time to try it out right now as I've got to get ready for work, but I think I know what I'll be checking out when I get back...! = )

doc eggfan · Feb 25, 2015

JohnnyUK said:

Huh. So, this happened. Cool!

edit: wtf emerald hunt?
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Johnny? Is that you? I thought you were dead.

Beltway · Feb 25, 2015

IGN's covered the story.

joyeux · Feb 25, 2015

Thank you guys! This is a historic happening!

I am wondering why Andrew75 is not a tech member yet...

Lanzer · Feb 25, 2015

JohnnyUK said:

Huh. So, this happened. Cool!

edit: wtf emerald hunt?
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Johnny? wow I remember you from when I first joined its been ages.

How long have you been gone?!

TheKazeblade · Feb 25, 2015

Whatever you do, don't look at the IGN article's comments.

For some reason everyone is calling it a fan game, no one seems to get that it's an actual port of the game itself.

Sonic Hachelle-Bee · Feb 25, 2015

Wow. This is gaming history here !

This is awesome to be able to play Sonic X-Treme after all these years. Congrats to you JollyRoger and Andrew75 !

Twimfy · Feb 25, 2015

.Luke said:

Heads up for anybody with a modern Intel GPU hoping for playable speeds, considering the age of the engine : Nope, just nope, you better try this on a machine with something that wouldn't break a sweat over Half-Life 2.

Lag aside, it was mind-blowing to finally see for myself how the game handled in those old captured videos of the prototype on YouTube, and playing with world rotation. What really struck me as strange was that none of the quarter-angle sprites are present in this build, so it felt more slippery than it should have with only the compass direction angles in there.

JollyRoger, Andrew, and everyone else involved, thanks for making this happen. It felt good playing around with an example of STI's work. I can't wait to see what else comes of the restoration project.
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Jollyroger said:

.Luke said:

Heads up for anybody with a modern Intel GPU hoping for playable speeds, considering the age of the engine : Nope, just nope, you better try this on a machine with something that wouldn't break a sweat over Half-Life 2.

Lag aside, it was mind-blowing to finally see for myself how the game handled in those old captured videos of the prototype on YouTube, and playing with world rotation. What really struck me as strange was that none of the quarter-angle sprites are present in this build, so it felt more slippery than it should have with only the compass direction angles in there.

JollyRoger, Andrew, and everyone else involved, thanks for making this happen. It felt good playing around with an example of STI's work. I can't wait to see what else comes of the restoration project.
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Thanks for the comments :-)

As for the performance, the engine as-is makes rendering with a modern card quite challenging (slow), and I am using some very old OpenGL features that may not work properly on Intel GPUs, so the driver may well be resorting to use software rendering, which is extremely slow.

I will work on fixing inevitable bugs and having greater compatibility with a larger variety of GPUs, right now the priority was to get SOMETHING out there... I just need some more time to tweak the rendering and it will be plenty fast enough on Intel GPUs too, one way or another.

Jolly
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Runs smooth as silk on my HD4000.

Elratauru · Feb 25, 2015

Holy Sheet. This is awesome, that first-3D attempts feeling :v: This is one of the Holy Grails that we never got, so a restoration of this would be amazing.

Well, runs flawlessly on my Core i5 3570k and my GTX760, not that I wasn't expecting it to, but every bit of info helps I guess.

Juki · Feb 25, 2015

doc eggfan said:

Johnny? Is that you? I thought you were dead.
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omg, you're still here! How's it going? I'm not dead! Although, I've not been known as 'Johnny' for a long time now. I uh. Kinda switched gender. Go figure. I go by Jay now!

Also, me and Ultima have been talking about working on TG again, so my profile is still valid! :P

Lanzer said:

Johnny? wow I remember you from when I first joined its been ages.

How long have you been gone?!
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Um, 'bout 4 years? I honestly have no idea. I just spotted this thread on reddit :P

Overlord · Feb 25, 2015

me and Ultima have been talking about working on TG again
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Does he want to update the engine-*bricked*

Nice seeing you again =P

Dark Sonic · Feb 25, 2015

joyeux said:

Thank you guys! This is a historic happening!

I am wondering why Andrew75 is not a tech member yet...
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He should be an X-treme member :specialed:

Juki · Feb 25, 2015

Overlord said:

me and Ultima have been talking about working on TG again
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Does he want to update the engine-*bricked*

Nice seeing you again =P
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Actually yes.

Nice seeing you still around too! :D

Andrew75 · Feb 26, 2015

IGN article, If you can find my Comment, (by Tuxmask75), please vote it up! Attempting to set some people strait there.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/25/fans-revive-cancelled-sonic-game-after-18-years-2

Edit:
May have to vote up ScrapRabbit's post since mine is in response to his.
( I'm assuming voting up someone's comments moves it to the top of the list ? lol?

synchronizer · Feb 26, 2015

sonicblur said:

synchronizer said:

This did not work in Wine, but I didn't expect it to work. (few-year-old mac) Even if it did, it would suffer from a low frame rate. Ah well, it's good to see this prototype released.
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Works on my machine. (7 year old Mac Pro running OS X 10.10.3) Using WINE via CrossOver. Performance is fine too, runs full speed.

I think WINE doesn't like the low resolution the game tries to run it. Just enable Virtual Desktop in WINE configuration to force it to run in a window, then it works fine.
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*I should have mentioned that it's a 2010 Macbook Pro with 10.6.8. I also use wine bottler.
I enabled virtual desktop in configuration and it didn't disable full screen. That is strange.

Sappharad · Feb 26, 2015

synchronizer said:

*I should have mentioned that it's a 2010 Macbook Pro with 10.6.8. I also use wine bottler.
I enabled virtual desktop in configuration and it didn't disable full screen. That is strange.
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Virtual Desktop is supposed to make everything run inside of a Window, no matter what.

Recent versions of WINE on OS X have Codeweaver's "Mac Driver" which doesn't actually support Virtual Desktop mode. If Wine Bottler has that, turn it off. You need to be using X Windows (XQuartz) for Virtual Desktop mode to work.

Edit: More coverage by a popular site: http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/25/8109185/sonic-x-treme-unfinished-game-released

synchronizer · Feb 26, 2015

It works! (mostly)

It's interesting to explore the world/playground, and the world rotation would allow for some tricky puzzles and mazes, but the problem is permitting the player to rotate around everything. The angles aren't fixed either. Andrew is definitely building a much improved game.

I am looking forward to more level releases with the fisheye lens.

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