Sonic X Shadow Generations thread, movie level out now

THIS is how you business

 

Why include it in bundles if they won't bother selling it as a standalone product? If SXSG is added to that bundle, that essentially means you're paying for two versions of the same game in a bundle that already costs $200 as it is, unless the old version is included for free. But if that's the case, why not just bundle the old version with a purchase of the new one? It's not like anyone loses anything by someone having the old version in their library.

 

Yeah, I'm not happy with the compromise.

 

Yeah this is stupid. The whole point of people asking not to delist the game is because they wanted the moddable version to be accessible. Shoving it into something that, odds are, if a PC player doesn't own Generations already, they're probably not going to own the bulk of the titles bloating the price, and therefore won't want to buy, does very little.

I guess it's more than the classic quadrilogy got, but now people are gonna just to tell you to pirate the OG version for mods, the same way they would've if it got delisted entirely.

 

Yeah, they clearly only heard "I want to be able to buy the old version". I wouldn't be surprised if that was the only phrase that would get higher-ups to listen.

They should've just included a copy of the old game with a purchase of the new game. That would satisfy everyone. Seriously, what's the downside? It costs them nothing, it keeps the listing off the store, but it still makes the moddable version accessible to EVERYONE who owns SXSG. Sega does not lose anything by someone having a copy of the old version in their library.

 

If the game is not delisted, then you can just buy the code from third-party seller for the PC version, they have tons of codes for sure and it will still be usable, they frequently go on sales too, here is where i got a working steam version a long while ago

it will still be accessible

 

Whilst not ideal, it's not exactly a bad situation either. The bundles will regularly go on sale too if history is any indication. And at this point, fans have had 13 years to buy Generations, so there will be very few who haven't already had the opportunity to buy the game.

 

If you buy Shadow Generations pirating the original is morally just lmao. This bundle thing is stupid.

 

I just keep thinking about how behind the scenes negotiations went.

 

That works for people like us who have been around for a long time, but not every current Sonic fan was alive, had the funds, had the PC to play it on, and/or was even a Sonic fan during a sufficient chunk of that 13 year window. Apply this as well to future Sonic fans who aren't Sonic fans yet, and who possibly aren't even alive yet.

 

Also, you know, one day you might end up with a new account or profile for some reason.

 

Is this the way we treat media now? "It's been 13 years so you had your chance"?

You people love to go on and on about "preservation" and how it's so tragic that the only way to play a ton of games from 30 years ago is through community efforts with ROMs and emulators, but then companies do shit like this and you're like "oh well, nothing wrong with that, it's just business".

 

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I mean they will preserve Generations through, you know, the brand new remaster that will comes out in 2 months, it's not lost media or anything. not even close

 

When they say that mods won't be affected, do they mean because the original version will still he around in some form, or that current mods should be compatible with the new version? Phrasing there is a bit strange and unclear.

 

They mean the old version

 

Did you all just selectively ignore the part about the original version of Generations being available via bundles, and said bundles historically being discounted?

Generations isn't going anywhere; it's getting an updated re-release. The original version will still be available for purchase for people who want it. In an idea world, they original version would simply be included alongside SXSG (just call it Legacy Edition or something). But it's l going to be available and that's just fine. It's being preserved in its current state and getting an updated version. It could be done bit better, but I really can't be mad about this.

 

I feel like we're getting off base a little.

No, this is not a terrible situation for *the original version of Generations,* in so far as that is worth preserving on its own. If it were, say, Sonic Colors or the classic quadrilogy, this would be very good news, since Ultimate and Origins changed a lot of stuff people didn't like. Having access to the originals of those would be good because they come with demonstrably different gameplay experiences.

But Sonic X Shadow's Oiled-Up Twerk-Off Generations does not massively overhaul the original game. Most of it is the same, meaning that delisting doesn't do as much on its own. It is specifically the massive modding community and legacy that drove pleas for the game to remain listed. Without that, SxSOuTwG would be an update with a price increase, and that's it. But here, we have the game getting a de-facto price increase, while still losing a lot of the modding accessibility, because the process of buying the easily-moddable version is now much more complicated, and probably still more expensive than SxSOuTwG on its own, for any PC players that don't own the original yet (because they probably own more Sonic games on Steam that would drive down that price).

There was always going to be a call for "if you want to mod the game, pirate it" if the game was delisted, now you just have that as the rational alternative to a more convoluted and possibly less-viable install process. So, yes, it might be better in some ways, but not the ways it seems like were really needed.

 

Releasing a remaster of a game does not equate to preserving the original version.

This whole "you've had 13 years" is stupid. Do you have any idea how many games there are? How many platforms there are? And if we take some steps back, how many hobbies there are? People have different priorities. Yes, even if they post on Sonic Retro!

What's next? Are people going to claim that I've had 13 years to play the copy of Sonic Generations that I own, and that it's okay if it spontaneously disappears?

No, we're responding to "And at this point, fans have had 13 years to buy Generations, so there will be very few who haven't already had the opportunity to buy the game.". This implies that, should it have just been delisted, it'd have been okay.