Sonic X Shadow Generations thread, movie level out now

Iizuka viewing Shadow as a Spawn expy explains quite a lot about the narrative decisions he made in ShTH.

Namely the whole "destined to become the leader of a demonic being's evil army, but fights the good fight to prevent that from ever happening" -thing.

 

Spawn, huh? I always thought he was inspired by Devilman. Interesting.

 

I don't know, to me, the mix between 2D and 3D were pretty cool. I barely noticed it was 3D until I've watched a second time. The animation is awesome, and I loved Maria's design. She looks great on 2D.

And my God, I wasn't expecting Emerl to return at all.

I just love how everything looks so cinematic here. I need a Sonic animation series like this now.

 

I’m very satisfied with what I saw. The 3D wouldn’t have been my first choice but they made some really interesting lighting. Very excited to hear it in Japanese.

I enjoyed that tiny preview more than the actual Sonic movies. Don’t today’s kids know and like Sonic enough by this point to just mindlessly consume anything that has that blue rat’s face on it like I did until I was a teenager? The movies succeeded at making him culturally relevant again, so hopefully we can see more of this.

 

What are you implying happens here?

 

Emerl hype!

Still don't like Kirk, swap him for Ian please.

 

Dragon Ball has it bad too. Several years ago Masako Nozawa and Sean Schemmel got together for the first time at a convention and instead of asking an important question, someone asked about something stupid about DBZ Abridged and Schemmel had to shut them down.

 

I can never get over how humongous the animal characters are in relation to the humans. I swear it looked like Shadow's hand was as big as Maria's head in that animation.

 

The modern models also just have massive hands compared to the Adventure games and Heroes. The model for Shadow in this looks similar to the modern model since Sega is obsessed with making things "on model" from what I've seen and heard.

 

if they're going to bring back human characters then they really need to do something about the goofy proportions that the modern models have, it's starting to look so jarring

 

It’s almost entirely the hands honestly. Shrink them down to around half as big and we’re golden.

 

Honestly Adventure 1 through StH had the perfect proportions for the characters, they didn't look as jarring as they do now. I know why they made them that size, it was easier to mo-cap them and make it look more natural, alongside making their hands bigger to be more expressive, but replaying Unleashed and watching the clip of the SxS animation makes me realize they look huge now, almost the size of regular humans in the games.

Also, IMO (modern) Sonic's head and body don't fit his long limbs and look really unnatural, especially in recent renders.

 

Recent renders have scaled the hands back down and they look much more comfortable, so it makes me curious if the "new" models were made after Dark Beginning went into production or something.

 

I wonder why you folks care so much about the size of hands and such...
Please don't forget that Sonic characters are anthros, not humans.
Their anatomy doesn't need to look alike ours or accomodate our preferences and/or comfort.

 

If you want that solved, just make every human look like a Billy Hatcher character.

 

They don’t need to match our anatomy, but saying they shouldn’t be designed to our preference is an odd take when they’re quite literally meant to be appealing and marketable character designs. Like sure, Sonic characters can be three or four heads tall and have mono-eyes and stuff but if you look at the still from the Frontiers trailer posted above, the tips of his fingers come down to basically his ankles, largely on account of how oversized his hands are, making him look jarringly gangly, like some bad horror movie extra. Ultimately, the trick to a good character design with something like Sonic is making the character look alive and believable, but that’s not compatible with a model of mascot costume proportions.

 

I think the problem with Modern Sonic's hands is moreso that they're too thick rather than too long. SA2 Sonic's fingers also come down to his ankles but it looks much better when he has reasonably sized hands, legs and shoes.

A lot of 'subtle' differences go a long way.

 

It would be crazy if there was a group of models of the entire cast that expanded on the lineage from Heroes that let the fingers pose naturally instead of being a 3d version of sticky hand vending machine toys


I can only imagine what that would look like... But I guess this will have to do.

 

He will return back to our world once we have offered him a sacrifice

 

The SA2 model is like the definitive 3D model to me.