Sonic Sounds Ripping Project

Mr Lange · Jan 28, 2012

Hi Retro, it is I, the great and noble Lange.
I took it upon myself to rip sounds from every classic Sonic game into samples. I have noticed too many faults with other attempts to rip Sonic sounds, most commonly being poor sample rate. I ensured these sounds to be high quality and as accurate as possible.

Update: Sonic Advance 1, 2, 3, and Sonic Battle have been added. Also, fixed the spindash rev sound in Sonic Spinball with an HQ filtered version.

Here is the full archive:
Sonic Sounds Complete

Games covered (individual downloads):
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic Spinball
Sonic CD
Knuckles Chaotix
Sonic Triple Trouble
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Battle
Misc - Various Jingles

Here is the text in the readme file. It explains this project in great detail, so please read or at least skim through it before any questions, as it covers about everything obvious and not so obvious.

These sound rips have been brought to you by Mr Lange. Credit is not at all required, but would be appreciated.
I have come across various sound rips from the original Sonic games, all of which are either terrible quality (horrible sample rate) or have at least one glaring flaw.
In my frustration, I decided to rip them all myself. I will say with confidence I've done a much better job.
Aside from poor sample rate, what I notice is how others ignore the emulator they use and its settings. Usually ignored:
The internal sample rate. Should be 44100.
Soften filter. Should be OFF.
YM2612 HQ Emulation. Should be ON.
These are the ideal settings. Special options vary among emulators, which makes it worse when sounds are ripped with an emulator with more junk food features than quality design.

Games Ripped:
Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3 and Knuckles
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic Spinball
Sonic CD
Knuckles Chaotix
Sonic Triple Trouble
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Battle

For these rips I used Gens Rerecording 11b, which seems to be a very mature version of Gens, and also allows me to set every shortcut key making these tasks a little easier. Testing sounds in comparison with other emulators, this one appears to be closest to perfection.
However, I used Kega Fusion for Knuckles Chaotix, which as far as I know, is the only emulator which correctly emulates 32x sound. In comparison, Kega Fusion's 32x sound emulation was far superior to Gens 11b, however every Genesis game sounded identical between the two emulators. Thus for all of its other features, Gens 11b won out for every other game.
As sort of a bonus, I decided to rip Sonic Triple Trouble, since it has a convenient sound test, and I have yet to find sound rips of any of the Game Gear/Master System Sonic games. I think the sounds are mostly the same between these games anyway. For this game, I used Kega Fusion, because it directly supports GG/SMS games, has accurate sound emulation, and wav dumping.
I didn't do very thorough research so I could be off with my decision to use these emulators. If anyone knows better than me, please tell me what would be the best method. I will gladly do all of this again in favor of more accurate, better quality results.

These rips are very unbiased. I did not name any of the sound files by concept (jump, ring, spindash. etc), just by their numbers in the games' sound tests. The file names are short, abbreviations of the game name followed by the sound number. If you want to name them, go ahead.
I also did not make any attempts to remove doubles. Every sound effect possible is there. There are quite a few doubles though, between different games and sometimes even the same game will contain doubles. It would take too long to try and weed out all the doubles, and I would not want to compromise the integrity of these rips. If you want to do this, it too is the end user's responsibility. Also, there is a possibility that there are tiny variations in some of the doubles across games, given differences in sound engines and what not. I do not know for sure.
One exception though, I only ripped the few sounds from Sonic 3D Blast that I was sure are unique to that game. There's dozens of sounds which appear to be directly copied from Sonic 3 and Knuckles, even in the same order, so I didn't bother. If there are any other sounds unique to 3D Blast that I overlooked, let me know.
I should also mention that every ring sound is always stereo left or right. The normal ring sounds alternate, but some of the doubles are fixed on one side. For every ring sound, I manually copied the one used channel to the silent one so they would play on both sides.

You may notice the "sustain" folder in the S3&K rips. This is because there's a section of sounds from BC to DB that play differently depending on repetition. Playing once, they are short, some of which on release will decay in volume. If they are played repeatedly very quickly, they continue playing a special looped version. Some of these are simple loops, while others are long morphing sounds. I had no technical method for determining how long to sustain these sounds, I just used intuition, hoping to capture the loops a few times over for each sound along with any nonlooping morphing over time, until the sound showed no changes following a certain point. In other words, the normal rips are "one shot" versions while the sustain folder has the extended sustained/looping versions. I did not attempt to add any markers or loop points, so if needed, it will be up to the end user.

The Sonic Spinball rip was a little sketchier than the others, and some sounds required a little manual editing. I did listen for and ignore doubles for this game's rip. There were a lot of sounds that have permanent loops, so I used careful judgement on how they should be trimmed in a way that preserves slow modulations over time, as well as ensuring that they are loopable. There are a couple sounds that had minor variations with each play, such as the cluck sound (51, 52, 53), so I ripped these multiple times and singled out the most prominent variations. Sound 60 is a long version of the steam launcher gimmick in Lava Powerhouse. In the game, the sound actually stops after a few repetitions and is followed by another sound, which is 63 in this rip. Therefore, I ripped and studied the original sound, and manually combined 60 and 63 exactly as it is in the game, which is 60b. Its possible the game variates it slightly, but my edit should be the best possible average. Also, the spindash rev sound, 65, loops in the game, rising in pitch with every iteration. The custom sound test I used does not do this, only playing the sound once. For this, I did a manual vgm rip and rendered the complete version of the sound, which is 65b. I should also mention that sound 64, the plane sound that plays during the Sega logo, actually loops forever in the sound test, but I trimmed it to exactly the point it stops in the game.

The Sonic Misc folder has common jingles from the games. I gave these samples proper names. The jingles between Sonic 1 and 2 are pretty much the same, albeit tiny differences. I left them in together for the sake of completeness. Chaotix's "Decision" and "From Party to Party" are infinitely looped by the game, so I attempted to trim these manually to their approximate loop points to my best ability. I may be off a few samples, but I preserved the illusion. I feel I must warn about this as it is the most biased edit in this project. Also, I did not rip Sonic Triple Trouble's jingles, as I felt it would be unfair to rip those and not every GG/SMS game's jingles which are all different. To do this would take too much time, especially considering not every game has a sound test. They are available in emulated soundtracks on other sites, such as Zophar's Domain, and easy to convert.
Note, the jingles for collecting all emeralds and gaining a continue are part of the sound effects, and not included in the jingles folder.
Another note, I did not separate Sonic Spinball's jingles from its sounds folder. It was too difficult to determine what does and doesn't count as a jingle since the game has many different kinds.

The Sonic Advance rips are more recent. They were not ripped from an emulator as the rest were. Instead, these were converted from raw sequence rips. These rips totally bypass the GBA's sound output and come right from the internal data, so they're not only clean and free of that poor sample rate conversion that the GBA does, but include more than you could ever get from their in-game sound tests. I removed empty samples, hence some of the missing numbers. There's a lot of repeated sounds between the Advance games, and like with the other rips, I did not attempt to remove doubles. I did not rip jingles for the GBA games, since there's a way more of them and I can't even identify them all.

Every sound is:
wav format
44,100 hz
Stereo
16 bit

Every sound (except those from the GBA games) was batch processed by Sound Forge, using the auto trim plugin. The settings were careful about only cutting silence and leaving 1 ms of time before and after every sample.
Kega ripped sounds a bit quieter. Knuckles Chaotix is thus a bit quieter than the other games. Triple Trouble was especially quiet, so every sample from that game was given a volume increase of a few dbs during the batch process. I did not modify the volume of Chaotix's sounds though, because some of the sounds are loud enough that they might clip. Anything less wouldn't be worth it. I will not normalize the sounds individually because the volume differences between the sounds is important and also part of the integrity of this ripping project. Otherwise I might as well normalize the volume of every sound from every game. This would be destructive. The end user can opt to do that on their own.

Updates:
-Jan 25, 2012
Initial release.
-Feb 06, 2012
I'm happy to report that I was finally able to properly rip Sonic Spinball's sounds, thanks to GenesisFan64 who shared a custom hack that runs a raw sound test. Using this, I was able to accurately rip the game's sounds just as I have with every other game, thus unofficially completing this project (not every possible thing is done yet, but basically this is completed). See above for notes on the Sonic Spinball rip.
I also fixed one or two tiny issues I missed, as well as a big mistake I made. I accidentally left behind repeats in a couple of the jingles that I was going to examine, and I forgot to do that and edit them, so I took care of that.
-Oct 05, 2012
With some breakthroughs in GBA sample ripping done by Tanks, I was able to add sound effects from Sonic Advance 1, 2, 3, and Battle in unparalleled quality. I also fixed the spindash rev sound from Sonic Spinball with an HQ corrected one, so now it sounds as its supposed to.

Anyway, it goes without saying these sounds are for any purpose. Hopefully fan games will sound less shitty from now on. Have fun.
I would like any feedback. Did I miss anything? Did I do anything wrong or suboptimally?
Again, credit is appreciated but not necessary.

Thanks to GenesisFan64 for helping rip Sonic Spinball's sounds by way of creating a custom sound test for the game's sounds. Additional thanks to MarkeyJester for the suggestion, and lukeusher123 for his original work on the custom sound test.
More thanks go to Tanks from Sonic Retro for devising a new method of extracting GBA sounds and sequences. His raw sequence rips of the Sonic games on GBA were converted and added to this collection.

Mr Lange

My name on Sonic Retro and Sonic Fan Games HQ is also Mr Lange.
[email protected]
Youtube: shortfactor
Newgrounds: Short-Factor
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In summary:
Uses emulators with accurate sound emulation and proper settings.
Rips every sound in each game's sound test, with little to no bias, ignoring doubles and only naming by number.
Has additional material such as S3&K's sustainable sounds and various jingles.
Every sound is cropped and no normalization is used on volumes, to preserve the true volume differences between sounds.
Every sound is 44100, Stereo, 16 bit.

I would like to add that soundtracks for these games can be acquired in vgm format and rendered to wavs or mp3s. For those who don't know, vgm is an emulated format. It stores the music data the same way the games do, and thus the file sizes are tiny, but they are rendered in real time as if played right out of the console, so they are also the highest quality solution. I mention this not just because its useful information, but certain tunes and jingles from these games can be acquired this way. This covers the GG/SMS games' jingles not included here.

Use the in_vgm for playing vgm/vgz files. It is compatible with Winamp and XMPlay.
Such soundtracks in this format can be found at:
Project 2612 for Genesis games.
SMS Power for Game Gear and Master System games.
Zophar's Domain (the music section) for other GG/SMS games missing from SMS Power. Don't trust this site for its Genesis rips though as they do not seem to be as properly made as Project 2612's.

You might have already noticed that emulated formats span other consoles as well. If you make a point of moving to these for your game soundtracks instead, they'll shave off hundreds of mb on your disk used up by mp3s, and you'll have them in perfect quality.

Well there it is fellas. I would like to hear your thoughts.

ICEknight · Jan 28, 2012

For the best possible rips, I'd try recording them from actual hardware...

Falk · Jan 28, 2012

With all due respect many of the sample sets floating around -are- bad because they've been recorded from the actual hardware using bad recording setups. If you don't have the proper audio recording tools, getting essentially procedurally generated noise from a reasonably close emulation completely within the digital domain may be the lesser of two evils.

(p.s. stereo? Why? >_>)

Mr Lange · Jan 29, 2012

For one thing, I don't have the original console and its games anymore. I do sort of, but they're in a storage I can't get to these days.
Besides, like what Falk said, it would be extremely difficult and possibly expensive to get a very good recording from that, risking noise and all sorts of technical complications. So yeah, the closest possible digital emulation really is the lesser of two evils.

As for "why stereo", because some of the sounds use both channels. Not many, but some, and its best measure for a developer of any kind to have every sound follow suite. It would not be hard to batch process all of them to be mono, or even a portion of them to be mono. Again, as part of the project's integrity, I did as little as possible to be destructive to the natural state of these sounds.

AstroPenguin · Jan 29, 2012

awesome!

Is it possible to rip the instrument samples that the genesis sound card produces?

I know that every song in the game has a MIDI file/graph that maps out when to play the notes, the velocity, and the other effects. I would like to be able to get my hands on the full library of those samples so I can use them with my recording software/midi sequencer.

Or is it more difficult than that? Could it be that there are less samples than I think there are, and each different sound is generated by manipulating the same source from the card? for example, would the bass instrument in Sandopolis zone act 1 be a different bass instrument than act 2? or are they from the same source, but with different modulations effecting the sound?

Ravenfreak · Jan 29, 2012

I don't think it'll be expensive at all. First off you'd need a special wire, one that can hook up to both a Genesis/Game Gear and your computer. Then you'd could google and look for a program to rip the music from the hardware. I had a wire, but it didn't even last a month... >.> And I lost my receipt... And it was only like $10 if I recall. I know there are emualtors that accurately emulate actual hardware, but that's just it they're still emulator rips. The only way you could get true high quality rips imo is through hardware. I'm not saying your project stinks or anything, in fact I made a topic about this early 2010 if I recall and didn't get too far, so you definitely put more effort into this than I did. :v:

AstroPenguin · Jan 29, 2012

AstroPenguin said:

awesome!

Is it possible to rip the instrument samples that the genesis sound card produces?

I know that every song in the game has a MIDI file/graph that maps out when to play the notes, the velocity, and the other effects. I would like to be able to get my hands on the full library of those samples so I can use them with my recording software/midi sequencer.

Or is it more difficult than that? Could it be that there are less samples than I think there are, and each different sound is generated by manipulating the same source from the card? for example, would the bass instrument in Sandopolis zone act 1 be a different bass instrument than act 2? or are they from the same source, but with different modulations effecting the sound?
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That sounds like a good way to get a good quality rip of the music, but maybe you misunderstood what I meant.. or I didn't explain it good enough. I don't want to rip the music from the genesis games, I want the music's individual instrument samples from its source. I want them so I could map them to a midi controller in a sequencer to make my own music/songs with the same sounds that the game has. I'm sure there are emulators of the soundcard from the genesis, but it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack trying to re-create how each sample sounds. I guess this wouldn't really be "ripping" then would it? More like looking for the code that tells the soundcard to do a specific modulation to one of the cards instruments.

Dissident93 · Jan 29, 2012

AstroPenguin said:

AstroPenguin said:

awesome!

Is it possible to rip the instrument samples that the genesis sound card produces?

I know that every song in the game has a MIDI file/graph that maps out when to play the notes, the velocity, and the other effects. I would like to be able to get my hands on the full library of those samples so I can use them with my recording software/midi sequencer.

Or is it more difficult than that? Could it be that there are less samples than I think there are, and each different sound is generated by manipulating the same source from the card? for example, would the bass instrument in Sandopolis zone act 1 be a different bass instrument than act 2? or are they from the same source, but with different modulations effecting the sound?
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That sounds like a good way to get a good quality rip of the music, but maybe you misunderstood what I meant.. or I didn't explain it good enough. I don't want to rip the music from the genesis games, I want the music's individual instrument samples from its source. I want them so I could map them to a midi controller in a sequencer to make my own music/songs with the same sounds that the game has. I'm sure there are emulators of the soundcard from the genesis, but it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack trying to re-create how each sample sounds. I guess this wouldn't really be "ripping" then would it? More like looking for the code that tells the soundcard to do a specific modulation to one of the cards instruments.
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Yes there is. If you have a VGM file, you can use VGM2OPM to get an OPM of the file, which you can import inside the VOPM VSTi.

Covarr · Jan 29, 2012

Ravenfreak said:

I don't think it'll be expensive at all. First off you'd need a special wire, one that can hook up to both a Genesis/Game Gear and your computer. Then you'd could google and look for a program to rip the music from the hardware. I had a wire, but it didn't even last a month... >.> And I lost my receipt... And it was only like $10 if I recall. I know there are emualtors that accurately emulate actual hardware, but that's just it they're still emulator rips. The only way you could get true high quality rips imo is through hardware. I'm not saying your project stinks or anything, in fact I made a topic about this early 2010 if I recall and didn't get too far, so you definitely put more effort into this than I did. :v:
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By doing this, you also introduce the serious potential for adding noise. If your computer has a sound card with shit inputs? Noise. If your wire isn't adequately shielded? Noise. Hell, I have all the hardware to do a barebones job of this myself, but to do hardware rips of actually decent quality does cost a bit more money.

MarkeyJester · Jan 29, 2012

I'm actually glad you brough this up, I personally get really irritated when I see a fan game, or video clip, or whatever, using Mega Drive game sound effects that are at a very poor quality, I do suppose that maybe it's getting use to hearing clear quality on emulators, but nevertheless, I really wanna punch someone's balls in, every time I hear it.

On subject of hardware rips, I took the liberty of running a recording test (I used my Nomad being at 60hz, due to the possibility of people complaining about my Mega Drive being... "baw, it's 50hz and slow"):

Volume Test. The jump SFX playing at multiple volumes (volume controlled by Nomad).
Sounds Test. All SFX recorded one by one.
Music (GHZ) Test. The Green Hill Zone BGM track recorded (Just for sake of recording it I suppose).

I recorded them at 44,100hz, 16-bit, stereo. There is a little noise in the background though which does become very clear the higher the volume is.

AstroPenguin said:

That sounds like a good way to get a good quality rip of the music, but maybe you misunderstood what I meant.. or I didn't explain it good enough. I don't want to rip the music from the genesis games, I want the music's individual instrument samples from its source. I want them so I could map them to a midi controller in a sequencer to make my own music/songs with the same sounds that the game has. I'm sure there are emulators of the soundcard from the genesis, but it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack trying to re-create how each sample sounds. I guess this wouldn't really be "ripping" then would it? More like looking for the code that tells the soundcard to do a specific modulation to one of the cards instruments.
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Try to understand that the Mega Drive doesn't have a "direct" set of instruments all stored away in the machine, the instruments are generated by the chips in real time, for FM specifically you provide each channel (and it's operators) with the necessary values in order to control their frequency, algorithm, panning, and volume changing throughout the operator's playback, given the circumstances here, you would end up with billions of possible sounds that could be generated, with most of them sounding similar to each other with a slight difference, and to decide what sounds are considered an instrument worthy of being added to a "library" is (and probably always will be) up for debate, we'd all have to make a decision on how different a sound has to be, to be classed as an individual instrument, that line is hard to draw due to how fussy the scene can be.

AstroPenguin · Jan 30, 2012

MarkeyJester said:

I'm actually glad you brough this up, I personally get really irritated when I see a fan game, or video clip, or whatever, using Mega Drive game sound effects that are at a very poor quality, I do suppose that maybe it's getting use to hearing clear quality on emulators, but nevertheless, I really wanna punch someone's balls in, every time I hear it.

On subject of hardware rips, I took the liberty of running a recording test (I used my Nomad being at 60hz, due to the possibility of people complaining about my Mega Drive being... "baw, it's 50hz and slow"):

Volume Test. The jump SFX playing at multiple volumes (volume controlled by Nomad).
Sounds Test. All SFX recorded one by one.
Music (GHZ) Test. The Green Hill Zone BGM track recorded (Just for sake of recording it I suppose).

I recorded them at 44,100hz, 16-bit, stereo. There is a little noise in the background though which does become very clear the higher the volume is.

AstroPenguin said:

That sounds like a good way to get a good quality rip of the music, but maybe you misunderstood what I meant.. or I didn't explain it good enough. I don't want to rip the music from the genesis games, I want the music's individual instrument samples from its source. I want them so I could map them to a midi controller in a sequencer to make my own music/songs with the same sounds that the game has. I'm sure there are emulators of the soundcard from the genesis, but it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack trying to re-create how each sample sounds. I guess this wouldn't really be "ripping" then would it? More like looking for the code that tells the soundcard to do a specific modulation to one of the cards instruments.
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Try to understand that the Mega Drive doesn't have a "direct" set of instruments all stored away in the machine, the instruments are generated by the chips in real time, for FM specifically you provide each channel (and it's operators) with the necessary values in order to control their frequency, algorithm, panning, and volume changing throughout the operator's playback, given the circumstances here, you would end up with billions of possible sounds that could be generated, with most of them sounding similar to each other with a slight difference, and to decide what sounds are considered an instrument worthy of being added to a "library" is (and probably always will be) up for debate, we'd all have to make a decision on how different a sound has to be, to be classed as an individual instrument, that line is hard to draw due to how fussy the scene can be.
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is it possible to find out the "values" that are programmed into the game's midi/music for each zone? there are approx 8 instruments going on in each zone right? we could keep all the instruments from each zone in separate packs. for example,

Mushroom Hill Act 1
MH1 Kick
MH1 Snare
MH1 Bass
MH1 Rythm
MH1 Lead
MH1 Lead 2

etc

each of those instruments has to have a set Value in the code to alter the frequency, algorithm, panning, and volume like you mentioned. if we could find out the value and save it, couldnt it we use them to get the sound from the genesis sound card?

Mr Lange · Jan 30, 2012

Before you derail this thread any further AstroPenguin, let me explain how it works in simple terms.
As Markey more technically explained, the Sonic games, as well as probably 99% of Genesis games, do not use samples for instruments. Only things such as percussion use samples, sometimes not even that.
What its using is FM synthesis, the sound is generated by the chip. Numbers tell the chip how to render the sound, in real time. You can't use them like soundfont samples unless you found a way to render them individually, and even then you're sacrificing a huge amount of the sound's nature, because changes in pitch are not resampled and modulations are constant tempo. FM synthesis sometimes also has a timbre to it like formant which can't always be resampled normally.
Some people have already made attempts to soundfont-ize these sounds. Someone released the Ultimate Genesis Soundfont or something which is a neat exercise in sampling FM sounds. The best way however is what Dissident said. VOPM is a vst that emulates the Genesis soundchip. There's tools designed for ripping instrument settings from vgm files in the opm format that VOPM uses. Start there. It should solve all your problems.

Markey, thank you for agreeing, I was beginning to think I was the only one alive who recognized the plague of shit samples in circulation. I'm really interested in these true hardware rips you have here so I'll be giving these a good listen to later.

dsrb · Jan 30, 2012

Brief addition to the above: 2612.org already ripped the instruments from most of MD games into OPM format and bundled them in a single archive. It can easily be found via your neighbourhood search engine.

AstroPenguin · Jan 31, 2012

Mr Lange said:

Before you derail this thread any further AstroPenguin, let me explain how it works in simple terms.
As Markey more technically explained, the Sonic games, as well as probably 99% of Genesis games, do not use samples for instruments. Only things such as percussion use samples, sometimes not even that.
What its using is FM synthesis, the sound is generated by the chip. Numbers tell the chip how to render the sound, in real time. You can't use them like soundfont samples unless you found a way to render them individually, and even then you're sacrificing a huge amount of the sound's nature, because changes in pitch are not resampled and modulations are constant tempo. FM synthesis sometimes also has a timbre to it like formant which can't always be resampled normally.
Some people have already made attempts to soundfont-ize these sounds. Someone released the Ultimate Genesis Soundfont or something which is a neat exercise in sampling FM sounds. The best way however is what Dissident said. VOPM is a vst that emulates the Genesis soundchip. There's tools designed for ripping instrument settings from vgm files in the opm format that VOPM uses. Start there. It should solve all your problems.
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thanks for the advice, my apologies for derailing the train

Mr Lange · Feb 1, 2012

I would like to more blatantly point out that I really want to rip Sonic Spinball's sounds. A lack of sound test makes this an extremely difficult task. Does anyone know anything that can make this reasonable? Hacking? Disassembly? As I mentioned in the readme, I have figured out a way but its inaccurate and insanely tedious.

MarkeyJester · Feb 5, 2012

Aha! It's funny you should ask, GenesisFan64 actually ported the sound driver to Sonic 1, and I remember being able to play sound effects in the sound test (it was dodgy on some ID's but it worked), I don't have the rom on me and I can't remember where I got it, so I strongly recommend you ask him.

Mr Lange · Feb 5, 2012

You're the best Markey, I'll be sure to do that.

Mr Lange · Feb 7, 2012

Update, Sonic Spinball rips have been finished and added to the archive. Thank you Markey for that pointer, GF64 helped me out perfectly.

RetroKoH · Feb 9, 2012

Would it be possible to have each game folder in its own zip file? For some reason, I am unable to finish downloading the entire zip file as is.

Mr Lange · Feb 10, 2012

That's a good idea. I thought of it but didn't think it would be necessary. So, I'll do that now that it is.

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