Sonic scans for the Wiki

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  1. N!NJA

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    Scans done so far: https://webmaster1.com/SonicRetro/ please only download one at a time. These images are needing cropping/etc.

    With The KKM's post about the Tails Adventure EU Manual being missing, I've decided to use my past research into variations of Sonic cart based games to help find what is needed.

    Before I start, I've asked for help for many years but I've had no help, There is next to no information about Taiwan/HK/Asian versions. I would appreciate help on this.. To this day I've only seen two GG versions and one of those is a bootleg and no originals been seen.

    Many of these games are now over 20 years old and starting to degrade so we should get this done as soon as humanly possible. I'll update this list over the coming weeks as I've not much free time.

    I'm going to put stuff in order by system.


    MegaDrive/Genesis



    Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit)
    1. Genesis versions need manuals scanning/Covers rescanning.
    2. TecToy version needs rescanning fully. Redbox versions missing fully.
    3. Canadian version is missing back art/manual scans.
    4. Canadian Not For Resale versions missing fully. (https://i.imgur.com/WhMq7KS.jpg only pic I have to prove it's real.)
    5. Korean copy's need redoing, A Gold/Silver and plain copy exist. (https://i.imgur.com/FSK0fct.jpg) http://www.koreanversion.com/samsung/super-aladdin-boy/sonic-the-hedgehog-gold-label
    6. Australian versions missing, three manual types seem to exist such as the vertical one. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SCAAAOSwNvRbV-4n/s-l1600.jpg There's a classics version also (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Rf4AAOSwz2JbV~FU/s-l1600.jpg)
    7. SE rental versions missing all scans.
    8. Portuguese version needs rescanning, two versions exist one with a colour manual and one in monochrome.
    9. Taiwain/HongKong versions missing, It looks just like the PAL/EU box/manual minus having a Japanese cart. (https://imgur.com/a/TQvqi5Y only pics to hand also showing Asian copy of Ecco.)

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (16-bit)
    1. Genesis manuals need scanning.
    2. Australian versions missing, atleast two manual types exist.
    3. An australian version exists that came in a paint can named the "Mega booster pak" (https://i.imgur.com/LSmbmB1.jpg)
    4. Tectoy versions need manuals scanning.
    5. Not sure if this is true, but I heard the korean version manual doesn't exist but I don't see this as being true.
    6. Asian version comes with two manuals.
    7. Taiwan/HongHong version says Asian version but includes a third manual, off hand I think it was written in chinese.
    8. Canadian versions need scanning.
    9. ZA version needs scanning? Never knew of this one :P

    Sonic the Hedgehog 3
    1. All versions minus EU need manuals scanning.
    2. Two korean versions exist, one has the serial on the spine and the artwork cropping differs.
    3. Two Asian versions exist, however the only difference is the sticker on the front, one says PAL the other NTSC. There's also two manuals, one's in colour one isn't.
    4. Asian Cart scan is a bootleg cart. Rescan will be linked on my server.
    5. Genesis Mega Hit Series has two different covers, one says genesis one doesn't.

    Sonic & Knuckles

    1. All need manuals scanning minus one of the EU versions.
    2. 2 EU versions exist, back art is different and manual style.
    3. 2 Korean versions exist, one by Hi-Com one by Samsung. (Cover for Samsung version needs redoing.) (Hi-Com pic https://i.imgur.com/wbzuZmV.jpg)
    4. Asian/Taiwan version needs rescanning.

    Sonic Compilation/Classics

    1. TecToy version needs manual scanning.
    2. An australian version exists named "Sonic 3 in 1" https://i.imgur.com/Nje3Kke.jpg



    Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island/Blast

    1. An australian version exists that has a blue cover. (https://i.imgur.com/yg2omGb.jpg)
    2. All need manuals scanning.
    3. US Cardboard box version is missing. (not sure if this was a mistake in my notes from 2014)



    Sonic Spinball

    1. Australian versions manual needs scanning (https://i.imgur.com/l6ZBflx.jpg)
    2. Korean Samsung version missing. Looks like the japanese version minus korean text.

    Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine

    1. All minus Genesis version manuals need scanning.
    2. French version seems to have the same manual as EU/PAL so not needed?


    Not complete, will add more later.
     
  2. Asagoth

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    Actually there's four versions of the Portuguese Sonic the Hedgehog manual for Mega Drive... the two you mentioned... two monochrome manuals, one in blue and one in black... and the "Holy Grail" of the Sonic the Hedgehog PT manuals most preciselly this one (the white one in that photo) which is folded like a road map... it's exactly like this one for Super Thunder Blade... as you know Ecofilmes began distributing Sega Products in 1991 ... and for the first titles sold in Portugal Ecofilmes used Brazilian Tectoy manuals as Portuguese ones... the manual for Sonic the Hedgehog is quite rare... one thing to note is that the text used across all four is the pt-br ... I have the colored one that we already have on the wiki and I will make a better scan of it...
     
  3. Black Squirrel

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    (psst, hey, Mr. Ninja

    https://segaretro.org/Category:Scans_to_be_replaced


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    It would be exceedingly helpful if, whenever any variant (of anything) is found, it's represented in some form on the wiki, even if it's just an empty template. That is the public, front-facing database of common knowledge - things get lost in these forums.

    Every few months, when the auction sites have had a chance to re-stock, I tend to go hunting for missing things to use as placeholders. So it's nice to know what I'm looking for. :v:
     
  4. Pengi

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    A Brazilian fan site, Power Sonic, has a bunch of Brazilian (Portuguese language) manuals: http://www.powersonic.com.br/games/manuais.htm
     
  5. Asagoth

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    There's lots of them ... thanks for sharing :) ... they need to be cropped... and the pages split... but that's not a problem...
     
  6. HedgeHayes

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    If I've understood everything, I can help with the EU Sonic 3D manual, and maybe S&K and MBM EU manuals; I'll know after comparing the ones I've got with those already uploaded.

    I've never edited wikis or uploaded anything to them, so I'd like to know two things: first, is it better if I upload them, or just do the scanning and send the pictures to someone else more experienced? If I do everything by myself, which specifications/quality controls/whatever should I take into account? (I think it's the third time I ask for this kind of information, maybe I'll get an answer this time).
     
  7. doc eggfan

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    Just noting that the classics variant is just the same as the original. The classics bit is just a sticker stuck to the front of the case, and the slipcase insert is no different. It's just old stock with a sticker. I guess it still barely qualifies as a variant.
     
  8. saintminya

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    I have a US Sonic 3 Manual, I can scan [sub]as soon as I get the printer/scanner(S) to cooperate.[/sub]
     
  9. Asagoth

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    The pages split and correctly cropped... and the highest resolution that your scanner can achieve... to upload just hit the button "upload file" which will send you to the upload page... while there you must not forget to categorize the file before uploading ... an example ... as you can see in this manual in the box "comment" there's this code ''{{manual|game=Sonic the Hedgehog Spinball|system=Mega Drive|region=US}}''... you shall add it in the box "summary" that you will see in the upload page... the best way to learn this is doing like others do... let's say you want to upload a Mega CD manual... just look for one already on the wiki hit the edit button (be careful to not edit the page) and copy the code... the name of the file shall always follow this criteria "name of the game/system/region/type of file (if it's a manual or a book, a leaflet, a toy, whatever )... these two tools are also "great companions" for this "job" JPEGtoPDF (for making pdf files) and Vertical Image Splitter (for spliting pages)...
     
  10. N!NJA

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    @Asagoth never knew this, thanks for saying.

    @Black Squirrel on the case, I found a scanner, 1200DPI good enough?

    @Doc Eggfan, Ah wasn't aware of this, That seems to be the case with the Candian one too.

    So yeah, I've found a scanner I'm starting scans as we speak. All the rarer stuff I'll do first like Sonic 3D Korean etc.

    I'll upload them to my dedi as they're done and will leave any edits to the community as needed. (I'll link them in the first post as done.)


    EDIT: Actually not doing 1200dpi sorry, it's almost 500MB per scanned image :P 600dpi is more livable at around 100mb a scan.
     
  11. Black Squirrel

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    Shouldn't be - I hope you're not trying to save as PNGs!

    1200dpi is usually excessive - there's more samples there than the original print, so you start picking up moire patterns instead of anything we might actually want. But doing edits (rotations/crops) at 1200dpi and then downscaling to 600dpi can create a nice super-sampling effect. 600dpi is usually about the best as you can expect for scans of this nature.


    There are no great benefits of saving in a lossless format for scans - most things degrade with age and all scanners are inaccurate, so there's little practical difference between a PNG and a high quality JPEG at those resolutions. Except that the file size of the PNG version will be 10 times bigger.


    (spoilers: this is why lossy formats still exist)
     
  12. N!NJA

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    Nah, was JPG's haha, I didn't have a PNG option with this scanner weirdly, and I set it to best on JPG's format.

    Here's a scan of the cover https://i.imgur.com/XNJpl6z.jpg (more than likely abused by imgur's compression but an example.) I couldn't get it to line up for some reason but I'm sure this can be sorted in photoshop or something. Done about half the manual now, then will work on labyrinth etc.

    EDIT: Seeing as the Korean stuff is so uncommon I'm doing 1200dpi on those as 3D blast for instance is normally damaged/faded.

    EDIT2: link added into first post with scans done.
     
  13. ICEknight

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    Nice resolution, but some parts look blurry due to them not being pressed against the scanner's glass.
     
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    Yeah it was a pain to keep some flat and I didn't want to crease them, I could always try with a cd case pressed against them if needs be?
     
  15. Black Squirrel

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    I'd also recommend putting it closer towards the centre of the scanner bed rather than the edge - there's a bit cropped off.

    You might not be able to fit a double-page spread on the scanner, but you could always do two manuals at once :eng101:/>
     
  16. N!NJA

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    On the case haha, Where any of the other scans good like the covers?

    Some of those took 10 odd minutes to run so I'm hoping I don't have to redo all :D

    EDIT: Rescans done here, https://webmaster1.com/SonicRetro/Rescanned/MegaDrive/ Let me know if this is ok?
     
  17. HedgeHayes

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    Thank you very much for this, I suppose I'll do it next week. Btw, the other place I've asked about how to add stuff to the wiki was on the kickstarter board game topic, because it will be a lot of photos and scans plus writing the article itself. It got delayed so I won't have it until the next year, but I could start writing some stuff that we already know, or compile pre-release info. Shinobi7 could even be so kind they would let us get the pictures directly from their archives; they already posted a lot of things, and I think only miniatures aren't ready, so, besides photos for those minis, the whole article could already be made. Sorry about the offtopic.

    Edit since no one else posted:
    Confirmed, my S&K, MBM and S3D manuals are not present on the wiki. I'll scan them as soon as possible.

    Also, I've noticed now there's a tutorial and other stuff to help with the wiki; sorry for asking about this so many times, it makes sense why nobody gave me an answer about this. I'll get ready the article for StH: Battle Racers (the Kickstarter board game) as soon as I find the right place to put it, since it's non-standard stuff.
     
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    Double posting since I've been out for so long, yet no one posted here in the meantime.

    Later than promised, but I've finally scanned the three manuals I promised. However, upon uploading the first of them, which was also the smallest of the three PDFs, the uploader warned me about it being too big (Sonic 3D, 66 Mb). I had scanned it on 600 dpi as requested, so I ignored the warning. later, when checking it out once uploaded, I noticed it looked a bit different (worse) than when I open the local file on my computer.


    With this in mind, I'm not sure about how to proceeed: MBM has 79 Mb of file size, while S&K has 98 Mb, mostly because of colour covers. The uploaded one already takes a while to load, and it's smaller just because the covers where grayscale. Also, I'm not sure about the scans really needing a 600 dpi quality except maybe for covers, but I took me some hours of work and I'm not really happy about scanning them again in a smaller size right now, so, what it will be?:


    A) Some sysop delete the uploaded file and wait until I have the free time and will to re-scan them in a more adequate size.

    B) Go ahead and upload the remaining two files even if they are huge.


    That's all, my apologies for always being asking and yelling about wiki editing. This won't discourage me of doing more scans for other manuals in the future, but I have some feeling of wasted time and effort right now, and I mistreated the scanner and the manuals a bit in the process. :flunked:
     
  19. Hivebrain

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    They're supposed to look worse because they're just thumbnails. The wiki shrinks the original pages down and saves them to jpegs for casual viewing, while the full pdf is still there for anyone who wants to look at it. Nothing has been lost and all your work is still preserved. The pdf should be as high quality as it can be, up to 100MB (the max upload limit). But if you're concerned about uploads taking too long then you can shrink the pages down a bit for future scans. A slightly smaller scan is better than no scan, although we always prefer the best possible scan.
     
  20. HedgeHayes

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    Loading the pdf itself also looked a bit worse, and the zooming returns different screen sizes like 100% wiki is 90% local, or something like that. I'll upload the big things then, which are mostly the cover's (covers'?) fault since inner pages were less than 1 Mb each even in PNG format (I scanned them that way before converting to PDF, which turned images to JPG in the process).


    I'll make some 300 dpi experiments either way, to compare if it really affects the quality in a way it shouldn't. Having an online 300 dpi and a download-only 600 dpi version could be good too, but it's not my wiki or my storage space, so I'm at your command.


    Now that we're at it, let me know if the quality of this scans is good enough to replace older manual scans: once I do my part on the missing ones, I could scan every other manual I own, which aren't that many, but at least they're something.


    EDIT: Files are uploaded now. I've seen you've already linked the one I uploaded earlier to the game article, should I do the work myself or expect others to do that instead like with the first one?
    EDIT 2: I've seen all of them added to their respective game pages. I didn't want to goof with my previous edit, only know which protocol should I follow. I guess I'll stick to just uploading and reporting until someone tells me otherwise.