Sonic Origins Collection - General Thread

Any way to deal with the kinda bad pixel crawling you get from playing the game without "antialiasing" enabled? On a steam deck at 720p there's some pretty bad crawling and uneven pixels which is surprising considering the base vertical resolution of the classic games is supposed to be 240p and that scales perfectly to 720p

 

You could try this mod, which ports some of the scaling filters from Mania, though you have to turn the option back on for it to work.

 

I don't care for widescreen, so for me the original games are still the best official way to play the games. They're accurate, have no missing content, and, most importantly, are finished products.

 

Sonic 1 doesn't have spindash, Sonic CD has severe performance issues and the spindash is horrible, and vanilla Sonic 2 lategame is just unfun(esp. the final boss). The only ones I really have no issues with are Sonic 3and Sonic&K.

Once you get used to the drop dash you honestly can't go back either. So yes, the OGs are missing QoL features later versions introduced.

 

Don't care. It wasn't designed with it in mind.

Not in the faithful PC port.

True.

Don't agree.

I'm not a fan of the Drop Dash.

 

Well Sonic 3 and Knuckles are sort of finished products.

 

I don't care about they design decisions they took in 1991. Every non-emulated version since 1996 changes the spike behavior to Sonic 2 includes the damn spindash. I want to play the game like the devs themselves thought was the best way to play, with the spindash.

Well the PC port has low quality SFX, no JP soundtrack and it is not the "original version" anyway.

I am. That's why some people prefer Origins.

While Origins has issues (esp. with the soundtrack) it is the best Sonic Collection ever released and after all bugfixes it is a finished product.

Even when compared to Sonic Jam, which is one of the most praised compilations. Jam has perfomance issues, weird SFX, lacks Sonic CD and all 8 bit games. Sonic World is a pretty nice little thing, though.

 

Heck, even an emulated version of Sonic 1 changes the spike behaviour - the version included in Mega Collection.

 

I'll just point out that Origins does let you play the games with a 4:3 ratio with lives enables, albeit with all the other features/functionalities of Origins left fully intact.

Origins is, imo, the best official way to play any of the Classics, and it's what I'll recommend to almost anyone who wants to get a hold of the Classic Sonic games. Most of us here will find plenty of reasons to enjoy Origins despite whatever shortcomings it has. But the exception to that is die-hard fans fans who are going to be be able to tell the versions apart and who will enjoy the Origins versions less as a result. FFS just let BenoitRen like whatever he likes.

 

I'll always defend the "bad" spindash in CD, it is the way that it is to give you more reason to use the peel-out.

 

I would say Origins is the best official way to play the classics. Are S1F, S2A, and S3AIR more fulfilling for longtime fans like us? Definitely. For an average Joe though? Origins is what I'd recommend.

 

Well, I should have listened to you guys. Should have gotten Origins.

Because I instead got “3K” off an keyshop only to activate it and actually get Mega Drive Classics which does not have 3K anymore and therefore is worthless to me. Waste of 28.

I don’t mind the price of stuff like that in itself. (I just bought a freaking computer and a graphics card) But my thing is if I am going to buy something for myself, (generally willing to be a bit more zealous when it comes to spending for family and stuff) is it worth the price I am buying it for?

For me, paying 28 dollars for 3K, really 3AIR, IS worth it. Paying 13 dollars for Origins (Because I never intended to pay full price for that game or support Sega for that garbage directly https://www.cdkeys.com/sonic-origin...-kTMNvucNDskGLcOd08DU-3WYt0BPK74aAsx0EALw_wcB) was not.

I want to play an enhanced version of the 3K I know and already like. (Maybe even love) I don’t want to play some weird different version of 3K with glitches, neutered soundtrack, and even different physics that is going to affect how I play the game.

But you know what? At least that would have been better than still not being able to play 3K at all.

You know, I was trying to do this the “right” way. But I am in fact so salty I am actually considering heading right on over to freeroms or internet archive and snatching it up there.

Whatever. Guess I have no choice but to get Origins now. Because I am not doing this again.

 

They did

 

One thing about the RetroEngine is they can't imitate the Mega Drive/Genesis collision system.

 

Origins is easily what I would recommend to anyone for the classic games if they'd never played them before.

Buuuuuuuuut since they punish me for my decades of muscle memory by having the wrong hitboxes, I can never consider them the definitive versions (with the exception of CD; I played the Steam version more than I ever did Gems Collection). Every time I get crushed for simply standing next to a small gap between blocks or platforms, it takes me out of the game and makes me want to go do something else (this usually happens in Carnival Night Zone). Which is a shame because the ability to play in widescreen, toggle lives, remove the timer, use the Drop Dash, and play as Amy are all incredible additions. They're also the only way to play CD and 3K on the Switch, and so I do find myself going back to them often enough. Often enough to be continually reminded why the hitbox thing super sucks! I'm sorry, but I would genuinely rather play my Genesis carts, Mega Collection, some pirated ROMs, the crappy emulated Genesis and Mega Drive Classics Collection, or the Sega Ages versions 9 times out of 10.

Sonic Mania having the dogshit hitboxes isn't the same, because I don't have muscle memory playing that game with the correct hitboxes in the first place. It's always and only had the wrong ones, so my reptile brain plays it with those in mind. This does not transfer to the remakes of the older games. You might think that the amount of reused level design, art assets, and other stuff in Mania would cause my muscle memory to betray me there too, but the fact of the matter is that they do not. The visuals, audio, mechanics, etc. are apparently different enough. I do get unfairly crushed in a very specific spot in Titanic Monarch from time to time, and while that's frustrating, it's also the only way to play Titanic Monarch. There's no better version of Sonic Mania out there.

Edit: As an aside, fixing the Sonic 1 spike bug is good and important and essential. Adding the Spin Dash is fun and cute but extremely optional and unnecessary.

 

yeah, can’t refund games if purchased via code that came from outside Steam. I’ve already bought Origins. Will see about downloading it when I get back home.

I’m just hoping it isn’t as bad as I have heard. Because honestly, if it is as bad as I have heard, what I payed for it even at that discount was too much. 5 dollar freaking game in my eyes.

If that. The fact that they took away the perfectly playable precious version of the game to force people to buy origins (let’s just be real for a moment. That’s the real reason they did that.) honestly devalues the game further in eyes. And then you consider the fact that they basically didn’t even let them finish the freaking game abd I do not respect Sega at all in this matter.

 

I do find it really funny that the Internet and Sonic communities like Sonic Retro largely insisted for years that the Retro Engine remakes were by far the best versions of Sonic 1 and 2 but then absolutely tore into them in Origins when they are almost exactly the same as the mobile versions. Origins did make them worse in ways by removing features. I understand that criticism because it is one I share. But I do also find the criticism of Origins hilariously overblown. People got literally what they were demanding for a decade and then all blasted it. In terms of what Sonic 1 and 2 are in a core sense.

Sonic 3 is obviously different with the replaced music. But most of its game design flaws are very similar if not the same as 1 and 2 on Retro Engine.

 

I think part of the thing with Origins was it came at a time when the decomps were brand new and people began to reevaluate the Retro Engine remakes with a more critical eye, since they have enough changes and inaccuracies that could throw off people intimately familiar with the originals. A lot of the issues people had with the versions of the games in Origins are just kind of inherent to the Retro Engine remakes, like the hitboxes not being 1:1, the expanded aspect ratio making stuff like the boss arenas weird, etc.

 

I am not in the know as far as what others are talking about as far as 1, 2, annd CD. And I honestly don’t care. I have no problem with the retro engine remakes of those games besides small things every now and then like not being able to bounce on Eggman as quickly and finish those boring boss fights quicker.

Yeah, 1 Forever and 2 Absolute are better. But I have no problem with the retro engine games.

Outside all the bugs I have seen reported, (ones I have never ran into in the original retro engine ports mind you) I am talking about specifically about 3 when I criticize that game.

And I am not taking about collision. I am talking about physics. From what I see and hear, they didn’t just fail to emulate things. They straight up CHANGED things, like making the game faster which breaks things. That is what I am referring to when I say I don’t want to play that version of 3. I want to play the Sonic 3 I already know (or better)

And yes, the music is also exactly one of the reasons. Some people like to say, “Ah, it’s not that bad.” Or “man, if they just used the ORIGINAL prototype music rather than remaking it poorly and-“

No. No and no. I have listened to some of that crap, and the prototype stuff it is supposed to be imitating. And absolutely not. It is a straight downgrade all across the board.