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Sonic Omens

Discussion in 'Fangaming Discussion' started by Beamer the Meep, Aug 17, 2022.

  1. Beamer the Meep

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    I think Shaddy put it better than I could. I don't think our criticism is solely because of the Dev's behavior though it certainly doesn't help. Looking at the game critically shows some major flaws.
     
  2. Overlord

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    Even putting aside the entire rest of the argument vis a vis the ethics of it and looking at it from a pure canon view: does anyone seriously think Maria of all people would wear something like that? The entire thing is stupid.
     
  3. Beamer the Meep

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    It seems the Oroborous staff has released an official response to that document that's been floating between the two threads. You can find that here. I am a bit encouraged that they seem to be considering fan feedback and did talk with Katie regarding the monetization issue.
     
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    This is why it is so important to reserve judgment until all the facts come out and both sides have told their story.
     
  5. Shaddy the guy

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    I dunno, I'm not really seeing a lot of big revelations in that document, just a lot of focus on the guy who made the other doc and excuses or downplaying of the things they were criticized for. There's a lot of weird stuff in here, like "we only NOW realized we were making money off gamejolt ads" and "we never got money for the game through boosty, but also we've updated Boosty to not make money off Sonic Omens anymore". We've had multiple sources of testimony about their behavior, and them just saying "nah" in a document doesn't really disprove anything about that. The Cars 2 thing is a little more justifiable (which is why I never went off on them for it in the first place), but the twitter DMs they show are from two years ago, and I'm certain the boosty screenshots aren't. This reads like them covering their ass and they're not doing an especially good job of it.
     
  6. Beamer the Meep

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    I did kind of get the impression it was downplaying certain things as well. While it does seem the monetization issue was seemingly addressed a while ago, there are other issues still at play such as the level design, the questionable texture, ect. The music I never had much of an issue with either since reusing music from other sources was essentially the norm until Before the Sequel went out of its way to create its own soundtrack (its first release still reused music).

    The real question to me is how they follow up on certain criticism. They said they're going to remove that texture even though it's not visible, fair enough. They said they would address certain bug issues, also fair enough. How they follow through here with stuff is what I'm curious about. Their behavior towards certain criticism prior to this is still kind of questionable.
     
  7. Black Squirrel

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    I had no idea this project existed, and my life hasn't improved since I learnt this morning.

    Monetising a fan game is silly but I'd be lying if said I wasn't curious to see what it would produce. Turns out, not much! The product's much the same as any other completed fan game - admirable that they managed to finish it, but janky as all hell. Except in this case, because it's 3D (and based on a series I'm still not convinced even works in three dimensions), the jank is front and centre and a lot harder to ignore.

    Well I say "admirable" but if these Twitter stories are anything to go by, it's probably not worth giving this project any screen time. Not entirely sure why you'd go to such lengths to silence your critics on this on either - nothing I've seen in gameplay footage looks outstanding. I wouldn't call it "low effort", but it's very much "good start, practise some more" material. Buy hey, marvel at our relative mediocrity, worms!


    p.s. any noise about reycling assets is moot - fan games have been doing that since time immemorial. There may have been money involved, but don't confuse kids in their bedrooms for great AAA expectations. Especially when they don't believe in the feedback loop.
     
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  8. RDNexus

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    Has anyone watched The Sonic Show's vid regarding Omens? A freaking 1h39m long argument...
     
  9. DefinitiveDubs

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    I think the argument wasn't necessarily that they "recycled assets" but rather that they plagiarized it and claimed it as their own.

    I don't believe they did plagiarize the Cars 2 track, as they make a strong argument for how they didn't, but had they taken the Cars 2 theme as-is and dropped it in the fangame, nobody would care, especially if they listed it in the credits. Where the controversy comes in is them possibly spinning a ripoff of it as original music and hoping nobody would notice. That's what people mean by "they stole music".