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Sonic Mania (Switch, PS4, Xbox One, PC...Netflix?)

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by TimmiT, Jul 23, 2016.

  1. XCubed

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    You mean he didn't include the whole thing??? I guess there's a reason it's only 16 seconds... :argh:
     
  2. Yuzu

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    I've casually accepted that everyone needs to get better at speedrunning with Knuckles in PGZ, because I'm not that great and don't deserve this spot. :v:
     
  3. I just don't think the game has been out long enough that people have had a huge chance to go in and try speed running, especially with Knuckles. I performed a decent Time Trial on Flying Battery Zone Act 1 with Sonic and ended up with the number 2 overall spot. Give it a few weeks, and we'll all be drowned out by the masters.

    Do any play through of GHZ Act 1 with Sonic and you'll see what I mean. People are just dipping their toes with the first and easiest act of the game, and there's thousands of records already up there.
     
  4. Lapper

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    Mania 2?
     
  5. I like how Mania makes a creative effort with the canon. Stuff like the Mirage Saloon boss delivers a lot of fan service without making you question the continuity, thanks to...
    ...Fang, Bean, and Bark being illusions.
    And if you've ever wondered whether Hyper Sonic was truly canon...
    ...the fact that the Super Emeralds are now broken can be interpreted in two ways: they either broke from overuse or it just happened due to natural erosion or whatever you're comfortable with, meaning Hyper Sonic was only a thing depending on how you want to look at it.
    The classic games had a bunch of small visual details that let you come up with your own theories, and I'm glad Mania continues the trend. It's a great example of "show, don't tell", and some elements are best left ambiguous if only for the sake of discussion and fun theories.

    I'm particularly fond of the way they handled the extra ending:
    It's just vague enough that you can assume Sonic is traveling to whatever dimension Forces takes place in, or you can just interpret it as him successfully making it back out of the final battle and ready for Mania 2, since neither Tails nor Knuckles appear to be concerned, and you don't actually see where the portal leads to. If this was a tie-in forced by Sega's hand, I think the developers went with a great solution that should please everyone. Even if Forces outright references Mania, it doesn't actually impact the classic canon, since that seems to be very much its own thing now. It's not as if Infinite appears in Mania or anything, so it's a win-win situation. The classic canon remains self-contained while the modern canon carries on with its plot hole-ridden, experimental parade. The fact that Forces says classic Sonic comes from another dimension rather than a previous point in time seems to support this, and I personally think it works for the best in both branches.

    As for Angel Island apparently being grounded again... Maybe you can think of the water near the beach as a very big lake that's part of the island, so the place is actually still airborne? I don't know, just trying to come up with an explanation. :v:
     
  6. Liraxus

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  7. Josh

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    So, guess what? After all that belly-achin' a few days ago about how awful it is for the game to start you over from Act 1 after a Game Over... guess what I got?

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    I don't quite know what I did to trigger it. I was in Debug Mode, went to Hydrocity via level select, and was spawning giant rings to practice the Special Stages. In (I think) the fourth one, I got the bonus from continuing to collect spheres in Mach 3. I don't know if it was related to that, as I don't remember ever getting one before. But on the results screen after the special stage, I was awarded the continue, complete with the little jingle.

    Intrigued, I got to Act 2 and lost all my lives. The above screen appeared, and when I restarted... I started on Act 2!
     
  8. I think I read something about continues being a thing in No Save mode and not in a save mode... Which is interesting. Maybe it's a bone they're tossing you since you can't load a save
     
  9. Josh

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    Quoting my previous post for the new page and to update. It appears Friend of Sonic is right. I started a new save, got the Special Stage Bonus on it, and wasn't given a continue, so it looks like you can only get them in No Save. And it doesn't matter if you get the emerald or not. As long as you hit the blue sphere bonus, you'll get one. But bafflingly, this IS the only way to get a Game Over and still restart on an Act 2!
     
  10. TheInvisibleSun

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    I was wondering what that bonus was for. Since I lost the Special Stage I got it on, I exited out of it before getting to the results screen.
     
  11. Glaber

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    I have to wonder though, How much of the S3&K content in Mania was reused stuff from the attempted S3&K remake? Hidden Palace clearly has leftovers from what I can only assume was a remake (missing graphics in the mural, the Teleportation tunnel, the Mural's room)
     
  12. Dark Sonic

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    Blue sphere mania mode apparently features the green (collect to turn them blue) spheres and the purple (teleportation) spheres. Those were shown in the proof of concept video and I bet is one of the reasons blue spheres came back, they already had the base completed.
     
  13. Laura

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    I think that's probably cut content, especially as the camera centers when you move on the cliff. Suggests something was supposed to happen there initially.

    I think Knuckles was supposed to teleport on the far right side of the cliff via the teleporter he uses after fighting Heavy King. I think it's located just under or near the cliff but I could be wrong. But really, Sonic could have gone there too, no idea.

    Also, I'm so salty about that use of continues :v:
     
  14. Glaber

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    I wouldn't doubt it was suppose to originally be S3&K's Shrine cutscene. I suspect where the shrine is now may have just been a relocation of assets.
     
  15. KingOfBunnies

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    Jirard the Completionist reviewed this game and had TailsChannel as a guest on the episode and it was a really good episode and he loved it. You guys should definitely check it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPAksNP_TsY
     
  16. TheInvisibleSun

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    I just noticed another cool reference:

    In Tails' Mirage Saloon Act 1, Sonic is wearing the Sonic 1 Goggles while piloting the plane!

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  17. KingOfBunnies

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    So, in Blue Sphere, when playing as Sonic and Tails, Tails isn't with you during Blue Sphere. He was in S3&K. Is there a reason for this?
     
  18. Dark Sonic

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    He's not with you in the special stage either. Maybe they thought Tails just didn't add anything to Blue Spheres (which, to be fair, he didnt).
     
  19. Sid Starkiller

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    It's to keep people from beating the shit out of younger siblings, who constantly jump to try and distract you.
     
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