Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by MykonosFan, May 27, 2021.
I don't think they are, unless Forces OST appeared there day one, since this is just the same thing they've been doing since...Mania I think? Maybe Lost World.
Not allowing that sounds like a disjointed mess, for how much Iizuka harps about all the playtesting they’ve done you’d think these options being chucked out for the window for a significant part of the game would be would be a common complaint but so far the cyberspace level design is 90% dash pads and rails so it would be make sense if they are ignored.
My god, I'm so excited for this game! You gotta trust me on this, but this is the best Sonic has ever controlled in the post-Adventure era.
I can imagine that the linear cyberspace levels had to be more tightly designed than the open world, so tweaking Sonic's behavior might break them.
Yeah i see a couple folks saying that its somehow bad that the cyberspace levels ignore the sliders, but thats the only thing that makes sense to me. It sounds completely unreasonable to me that the levels they create would have to accommodate ALL possible control modifications without breaking. Short of being automated entirely, and at that point you dont have levels.
I don't think people expected for Sonic Team to accommodate ALL possible modifications, but leave it up to the player how to tackle them.
For example, in racing games not every modification is going to work for each vehicle and track, some modifications are going to make you extremely slow or go out of bonds/send you flying, but you can play around with them until you find something that suits you.
It gives a lot of replayability and again gives you the option on how to play the game.
The Starfall Islands theme feels... Emotional. Those violins are heavy. I love it, though.
I Imagine that in actual gameplay the ambient piano will be playing the majority of the time, occasional silence, but the heavy violins will most likely kick in during battles or when going extremely fast.
Wasn't that sort of obvious given how different they play?
Starfall Islands theme slaps my nuts pretty hard
Or, in more pessimistic terms: tweaking Sonic's behavior will break the multitude of scripted events.
I might be misunderstanding your point, but... does Sonic's behavior really need to be customized in the cyberspace levels? It seems to me that it shouldn't really matter either way, given that they're relatively linear & fast-paced. I guess I'm saying I don't really understand what the customizations would add to the experience.
If it were me, I'd be thrown way off by the difference in controls. But we'll just have to see how it pans out.
I'd imagine that having a fully customized Sonic could just flat out break some level design in some stages, making it too easy or too hard. It's probably easier on the developer to only allow customizations in the open world, where you're just running around freely and playing around. It seems reasonable to me.
So the levels are still ridiculously short like in Forces. I was afraid of that.
I honestly think they aren't allowing the control sliders in Cyberspace because it would invalidate a lot of the incentive to grind speed upgrades in order to beat certain time trials. Allowing players to tweak certain stats could immediately make challenging time trials incredibly easy and make the Cyberspace loop super unbalanced. Moreover, if they tweak the max speed slider setting with the time trials in mind, any slower setting could result in players feeling frustrated that some time trials are borderline impossible or take way too long to beat. At best it would be difficult to fine-tune, and at worst it would make the sliders less of a player preference and more of a "you don't have to use these settings, but you really should unless you wanna have a hard time". I don't know if that's why they did it, that's just my guess. It seems really hard to balance a time trial mini-game around a character with fully customizable stats.
Edit: On second thought, how would that explain the time trials in the open zone? Nevermind, I guess. Unless maybe they're piss easy time trials compared to Cyberspace, so they didn't really care much about balancing them.
GRINDING IN A SONIC GAME. YAAAAAAAAAAY!
Can you please explain, in words, why the cyberspace levels would have the same control customization as the open world when they fundamentally play differently instead of ignoring people who have asked why you think they would?
The bigger question is why do they have to play fundamentally different, why not have them as stages using the same controls as the open world for something more akin to Sonic Adventure’s approach to level design instead of reusing Force’s diluted copy of the boost gameplay and script heavy level design?
Frontiers had a very short clip shown in the Japanese Nintendo Direct today, notably of the first Titan encounter on Kronos Island and of 2D Chemical Plant: https://twitter.com/Sonic_Frontier/status/1569700237257719809
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