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Sonic Freedom Trailer

Discussion in 'Fangaming Discussion' started by RGamer2009, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. Mask


    I think this has a lot of potential, and works as a proof of concept. As an animation project, I can only commend it. It does make me wonder about the details of some of the mechanics demonstrated.

    Water Jumping: Supposedly a matter of timing, that if just hit jump as you hit the water's surface, and perhaps if you have enough speed, you can bounce off it (probably a limited number of times?).

    Ledge Climbing: Easy to understand.

    Running Up Walls: You might be able to do this by holding "up" as you run into the wall. I really like this feature, as it gives you a lot of freedom to explore.

    Rock-Hopping: For this, I'd guess it to be a matter of not quite clearing the rock with your jump. If you clear it and jump well over it, no animation plays. If you hit the edge of it, the animation plays. As presented, it has the benefit of slowing down the game for a moment for you to regain your bearings--so long as you don't lose them all when you return to speed (which seems quite possible).

    At the moment, it is hard to think of it as much more than a cool aesthetic touch. However... we must consider the irritation involved with just barely clipping the top of an obstacle, and your run being stopped. Freedom in the concept's title does seem to imply the amount of freedom of movement, as well as being lenient towards mistakes.

    Powers: I noticed two powers in the trailer, the double jump and aimed attack. It's possible they have more possible powers in mind, and are considering the ability to choose a couple.

    Double Jump: To avoid accidentally activating this, it may be preferable to tap and hold the jump button to activate this, or even use a second button. This power has advantages in timing and in reaching higher places or getting a second chance at your jump. They also show Sonic being sucked to a certain launch point for the second jump, so I wonder about the intentions behind that. Besides the effect looking interesting, it may have some utility in preventing abuse.

    It could probably work with tap and hold. Then you have to hold the jump button for about 0.2 seconds before you stop in midair (then can hold remain there for up to 2 seconds or such). That would make it unlikely you would accidentally use this. This would also make it less useful/abusable for certain situations. At 5 rings a pop, a double jump has a lot of utility, so additional limitations may be necessary (I expect it can't be turned into a triple jump).

    Aimed Attack: I find it very interesting that instead of Sonic turning on the spot, he rotates in a way I currently don't understand (it looked like the controls orbited the enemy). This is another handy way of giving the player a moment to reconsider their actions, and gives them a flexible mode of travel at the reasonable price of 10 rings.

    Falling Rocks: Not sure this is the best timing on these. Someone replaying the stage could easily accomplish this, but someone new wouldn't have enough time to wall jump up them to Robotnik (which would be fun) and mightn't get the timing of their fall. You could fix that by changing the effects and giving a tell. Having the screen shake a bit during Robotnik's attack instead of dirt falling from across the ceiling. Then, have dirt fall right under where the rocks are about to fall from, just before they do fall.

    As it is, they seem to be going too fast to wall jump up them or use them as platforms. So slowing down their fall, or maybe having them slow down briefly before they sink into the ground, that's worth considering.

    Non-Spin Jump on Robotnik:
    This is really neat, but I have trouble thinking of how it would fit in. I love it when retro games don't have you get hurt the moment you touch the enemy (unless they're spikey or on fire), so being able to stand on Eggman is quite interesting. A few times in the video, Sonic jumps without spinning, then often assumed a spinball in midair. Some of it was contextual, like hopping over the rocks, or jumping off a "ramp" in the terrain over that river, but in this moment it's really hard to see why this happened.

    Looking at it again, it looks the same as hopping over those rocks, same animation, and it could use the same mechanics. Except, Sonic jumps without spin-balling. While you could have a hop mechanic, where just tapping the jump button results in such a hop, it doesn't sound practical for gameplay purposes and ruins your dynamic control of jump height. You could consider using two jump buttons, and a lot of the skill in the game would be knowing when to use which jump, and combining them. But, for most of what we've seen, I think you could manage with one jump button, so justifying a second one is hard.

    Alternatively, you could try something like holding "up" as you jump perform this preset hop. I recall that being used in some games. Useful for certain areas, where you want a specific jump arc, or where you don't want to spinball for some reason. It could also be given special utility. Maybe later there are some enemies you can grab onto, then jump off of, if you aren't spin-balling (a little like Ristar)? Still, this is questionable, unless you have a vision for this in the game.

    I do like the aesthetic, all the same.

    Somersault: That somerwault at the end, where he frees the animals. While that would probably be just an animation that would play out, you could consider adding the somersault to the game. Suddenly pressing "backwards" (the opposite of the direction you're moving) then jumping may result in this jump. That, however, has the potentially of happening when you don't mean it to. It might work if you have to press, "Jump+Backwards+Up" or such. Or if you did add a second jump button in, it wouldn't be hard to implement.

    As for utility? It's a good way to get some decent jump height, and/or come to a stop. Still, that makes it questionably valuable.

    Enemy and Environment Designs: Not sure I like this art style for the enemies, save Robotnik who looks fine. The environment is fine, or OK, to me for this jungle level. Looks better than Sonic 4, to me.... But still, yeah, more colours and a more interesting environment like in the OVA would be appreciable.
  2. RDNexus


    Quite interesting concept, design and gameplay.
    This community sure has lots of creative minds.
    They have my support, hope it gets somewhere.
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  3. lopinjop


    Sonic 25th Anniversary Party Enthusiast Member
    This looks amazing! Very awesome that they were able to implement their original concept into gameplay!
  4. Dark Sonic

    Dark Sonic

    Working on my art!
    I have always wanted to see a Sonic game look something like this, similar to Wario Land Shake it. It looks really nice! Level design looks a tad on the blandish side but it looks like it plays well and it's awesome this made it past proof of concept.

    Ring counter could stand to be more readable though.
  5. MarmitoTH


    Oh boy, you was so wrong! lol
  6. Heres a youtube video:
  7. Aerosol


    Not here. Moderator
    Not where I want to be.
    Sonic (?): Coming summer of 2055...?
    I'm really not liking the zoomed out view, or the mid-air spindash. But otherwise, so far so good!
  8. TheInvisibleSun


    Buffalo, NY, USA
    The Water
    Yeah, these are my only gripes in an otherwise awesome looking project. Perhaps the mid-air spindash would work a bit better if you could only do it once while airborne? At the moment it looks a bit overpowered.
  9. Hez


    Its almost like it needs to....drop....and dash? :V

    Is there any footage of new stuff? We are looking at dated material.
  10. Lapper


    Lappering Member
    Sonic Studio, Sonic Physics Guide, Kyle & Lucy, Freedom Planet 2
    Pretty sure the second half of the video is the new bit

    It's looking smooooth.

    Camera isn't too zoomed out for my tastes, especially when the stage is designed in a less cluttered way and there's plenty of space to run fast. Though I'd personally like some classic slack on it rather than always glued dead centre. Not a big prob. Something that might make the camera feel too big is the repetition of the terrain texture? Must take a bunch of time to draw this stuff so well but I suppose if there was more variation in it, you'd stop feeling like you're seeing too much. Again, not too big a deal.

    Sounds awesome too:thumbsup:
  11. Tempest


    Perth, Western Australia
    A Sonic 3 & Knuckles level layout change
    This looks awesome.

    Apart from the godawful US Sonic CD boss music.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops.
  12. Okamikurainya


    Somewhere in Africa
    Sonic: Time Attacked - MAX
    A good way to use it while keeping it faithful to the OVA would be to only be able to use when there is a solid background right behind Sonic. This would limit it and allow for clear visual cues that there may be secrets outside of view.
    You could set up hidden pathways, platforms or have foreground walls that can be destroyed only with the move.
  13. Aerosol


    Not here. Moderator
    Not where I want to be.
    Sonic (?): Coming summer of 2055...?
    No I still don't like it. I just straight up don't like it. But that's cool, I don't have to.
  14. Violet CLM

    Violet CLM

    It would appear that you only can do it once unless you hit an enemy, which lets you do it again--that's why the floating enemies are there.
  15. I'll wait until the demo before judging. I didn't think much of the drop dash until I actually used it either. If the levels are designed with it in mind it could be pretty cool.
  16. Rudie Radio Waves

    Rudie Radio Waves

    happy! :D Member
    Many a game.
    Personally I think it would be much better if Sonic kept his momentum intact while performing the mid air dash, but slowed down, to give a "bullet time" impression.
    I really like everything else about this project!
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  17. BlackHole


    You're going to need MORE than help. Member
    Perhaps this mid-air spindash should only be capable of aiming downward on an 170° angle, so you can manage sideways movement if you're doing well, but it otherwise stops players from potentially Kirbying it?

    Quick mockup to show what I mean.