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Sonic - Code Gray

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  1. Dissent

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    <!--quoteo(post=361048:date=Oct 13 2009, 03:41 AM:name=x64)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (x64 @ Oct 13 2009, 03:41 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=361048">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->At what part did he claim ownership of anything in this hack? I must have missed the part that said "Everything © Jdogg". If you don't want your fan-work to be possibly taken and used, either put a fucking copyright on it (Oh wait) or stop making shit, because all the bitching in the world isn't going to stop it from happening.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Listen you assfuck, :words:
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    Yes, you basically just said what I was saying. That was my point at least, I guess using the copyright symbol was taking it too far. I didn't mean it to be that serious. Also, thanks for the pleasant intro.

    I could sit here and pick through your post Tweaker, find all of the problems that I have with what you said, but I'm not going to. We are two different people, we have two different views. I feel that sharing is caring, but that in any hacking scene things are and will be reused, and sometimes should be reprimanded, but handled differently then the way you did. I would prefer if it was at least talked about with the involved party privately. It's one thing to slap someone on the wrist and demand an apology in private, but publicly making an ass out of them just bothers me. I guess I have a more narrow viewpoint on the hacking scenes reactions to things as a whole, I thought I wasn't alone in this kind of feeling. I didn't feel this was harmful stealing, so I went off and I apologize for that.

    To iojnekns; I just don't feel that anyone associated with ROM hacking should feel this way. If you are making something spectacular and new, even if it gives you sleepless nights and other problems, you are making it for the community to enjoy, which I feel should extend to even using it in their own hacks if they so wish. Stealing isn't right, but this feels almost harmless (like borrowing) in ROM hacking.

    Oh well. Sorry for stirring up drama I guess. It wasn't my intention.
     
  2. iojnekns

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    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->To iojnekns; I just don't feel that anyone associated with ROM hacking should feel this way. If you are making something spectacular and new, even if it gives you sleepless nights and other problems, you are making it for the community to enjoy, which I feel should extend to even using it in their own hacks if they so wish. Stealing isn't right, but this feels almost harmless (like borrowing) in ROM hacking.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Herein lies the difference in the way we think. I don't do anything for 'the community' because this idea of 'a community' is all in our heads. My idea of who comprises 'the community' is very different to your idea. My perception of the power structures and of the different relationships in 'the community' are very different, because we both have had very different experiences of "the community". But besides that, the only reason I personally engage in any Sonic modification is for my own personal gratification, for my own entertainment - both the entertainment of creating something and the entertainment of playing something that is another step closer to the idealised picture of a Sonic game I see in my head. You can probably tell this by the fact that you're extremely unlikely to have seen anything I have ever done. The fact is, feeling like that (ie: so frustrated you could hurl the monitor through the window) is the reason why its so appealing - if anyone could do it, how would it be satisfying? If it were easy to do, why would it be an achievement? Nothing that is worth having comes easy. I think this idea that not spreading work freely is somehow mean-spirited and "not sharing" betrays the fact that you've never done this yourself (I apologise if I am mistaken.) Doing the work for someone denies them the joy of learning, and of triumphing against something that isn't particularly easy.

    Anyway, I recognise the cue to stop the bickering, and there was really no need for me to stick-my-oar-in in the first place, especially with all this lofty crap that makes sonic hacking seem like some important, noble pursuit. Sorry for blaring my opinion at you like you care what I think =)
     
  3. Jdogg

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    <!--quoteo(post=361233:date=Oct 13 2009, 09:42 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Oct 13 2009, 09:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=361233">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=361110:date=Oct 13 2009, 10:31 AM:name=Jdogg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jdogg @ Oct 13 2009, 10:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=361110">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would just like to take this time to sincerely apologise to anyone/everyone who has been offended by myself using stolen music within my hack. Yes I did thieve them; only because I had to make a choice of either using the original files or using others files in order to jazz up the game. I selfishly took the low road without any real thought into the consequences and the results speak for themselves. What I should have done is clearly asked the original owners if I could have borrowed/used their files instead of being a dumbass about it. Again, I apologise for my actions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're a better man than anyone else who has ever done this. :)

    Look, man. I haven't used that voice edit in years. I think the last person I let use it was Puto, and the hack he put it in no longer exists. You're free to use it if you'd like, but I personally recommend something a bit more in-tune with the sort of prehistoric vibe that your background has going. Don't change music for the sake of changing it—change it for the sake of enhancing the feel and personality of the level in a positive way. That's the ticket behind video game music at its most basic essence.

    If I can look around well enough, I'll see if I can find some better fits for your music; if you asked, I'm sure the rest of us can help as well. If you're short for ideas, I don't think you'll find it's too out of the question to just ask about it! I know I'm full of ideas that I've never been able to fit in anything I'm working, and I have no problem helping others provided that they have potential and they aren't total douchebags. You've proven both things to me by not only doing something wrong, but owning up to it and apologizing for it. That's all I could ever ask for—honestly. Good on you. :)

    Like I said before, I really like where your hack is going! I just think it needs a few touches that really make it unique. You're on the right path, but it just needs a bit of refining. Keep going steady and I'm sure you'll accomplish your goal.
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    Well I feel awkward for asking now after thieving them in the first place..... but yes, I could do with some help for the music.
     
  4. ShadowDog

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    <!--quoteo(post=361233:date=Oct 13 2009, 04:42 PM:name=Tweaker)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tweaker @ Oct 13 2009, 04:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=361233">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=361110:date=Oct 13 2009, 10:31 AM:name=Jdogg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jdogg @ Oct 13 2009, 10:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=361110">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I would just like to take this time to sincerely apologise to anyone/everyone who has been offended by myself using stolen music within my hack. Yes I did thieve them; only because I had to make a choice of either using the original files or using others files in order to jazz up the game. I selfishly took the low road without any real thought into the consequences and the results speak for themselves. What I should have done is clearly asked the original owners if I could have borrowed/used their files instead of being a dumbass about it. Again, I apologise for my actions.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're a better man than anyone else who has ever done this. :)

    Look, man. I haven't used that voice edit in years. I think the last person I let use it was Puto, and the hack he put it in no longer exists. You're free to use it if you'd like, but I personally recommend something a bit more in-tune with the sort of prehistoric vibe that your background has going. Don't change music for the sake of changing it—change it for the sake of enhancing the feel and personality of the level in a positive way. That's the ticket behind video game music at its most basic essence.

    If I can look around well enough, I'll see if I can find some better fits for your music; if you asked, I'm sure the rest of us can help as well. If you're short for ideas, I don't think you'll find it's too out of the question to just ask about it! I know I'm full of ideas that I've never been able to fit in anything I'm working, and I have no problem helping others provided that they have potential and they aren't total douchebags. You've proven both things to me by not only doing something wrong, but owning up to it and apologizing for it. That's all I could ever ask for—honestly. Good on you. :)

    Like I said before, I really like where your hack is going! I just think it needs a few touches that really make it unique. You're on the right path, but it just needs a bit of refining. Keep going steady and I'm sure you'll accomplish your goal.
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    Both those posts are just plain <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome?from=Main.CrowningMomentOfAwesome" target="_blank">awesome</a>.
     
  5. JDAdams

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    The music doesn't work in gens-win32-bin-2.14, gens+00961 or gens11a. I'm not installing a fourth MD emulator (granted the three I have are all Gens, but for different purposes) just for one ROM. Come on, it's been broken at least since April - I still have the last build you released. Stop stealing people's tunes and get the ones you have working properly :) Nice piece of humility up there though, from both you and Tweaker :thumbsup: And the hack would be great if not for the silence!
     
  6. Afti

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    In all fairness, unless you're using it for a specialty task (Gens Movie) you should be using Kega, Regen or Gens/gs. Gens is hopelessly outdated.
     
  7. Jdogg

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    So yeah....it's been around 8 months since I last messed around with this thing and although nothing has really much changed, I thought I would put this up regardless.

    <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/file/44yjwjirzjz/codegray_v1.3.bin" target="_blank">V1.3</a>

    (btw, how do you chance the sub-heading on the topic? This obviously ain't V1.0 anymore.)
     
  8. Ravenfreak

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    <!--quoteo(post=473819:date=Jun 30 2010, 05:27 PM:name=Jdogg)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jdogg @ Jun 30 2010, 05:27 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=473819">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So yeah....it's been around 8 months since I last messed around with this thing and although nothing has really much changed, I thought I would put this up regardless.

    <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/file/44yjwjirzjz/codegray_v1.3.bin" target="_blank">V1.3</a>

    (btw, how do you chance the sub-heading on the topic? This obviously ain't V1.0 anymore.)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Edit the first post in the thread. And I'll download this and give it a try! :D
     
  9. MarkeyJester

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    I gave it a play through up until MZ act 2, and overall it's a decent hack, GHZ's design looks quite pleasing, gives a junglyish sort of feel to the zone which I liked, though the layout could do with some work, like certain chunks that don't look good when they're put next to each other, are there. Having the AOSTH styled robotnik was awesome though, I liked that. I also saw the design of the swinging platform and thought it looked pretty nice, though I would've been more happier had I saw it in the layouts more often =P

    I cannot give my opinion on the music as I'm currently... speaker-less I guess you could say, this is a generally nice hack, and I'll look forward to your updates.
     
  10. Hanoch

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    Music sounds fine to me, and the bosses are wow so hard! Especially LZ! I used savestates on that one. And on the final boss.
     
  11. Tweaker

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    Definitely loving the improvements! You've got one of the most unique soundtracks I've heard in a hack to date, which I really like. Levels are just as fun to play through and the levels have a nice graphical flair. Pretty solid! Shame you haven't done a ton since the last release, but I still had fun playing it. :)
     
  12. Any chance of released this on the wiki? My computer won't let me download from file sharing sites...
     
  13. Lodmot

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    Dang.... I like this a LOT. :D
    The music especially sounds awesome.
     
  14. amphobius

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    <!--quoteo(post=474116:date=Jul 1 2010, 07:04 PM:name=The Jackal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Jackal @ Jul 1 2010, 07:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=474116">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Any chance of released this on the wiki? My computer won't let me download from file sharing sites...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'll get started on working on a wiki page for the hack, then. :)

    EDIT: <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic - Code Gray" target="_blank" style="background: url(http://info.sonicretro.org/images/5/50/Reticon.png) right no-repeat; padding-right: 20px; border-bottom: 1px dotted #3366BB; color: #3366BB; cursor:pointer; text-decoration:none;" class="wiki">Sonic - Code Gray</a>
     
  15. <!--quoteo(post=474149:date=Jul 1 2010, 08:34 PM:name=DalekSam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DalekSam @ Jul 1 2010, 08:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=474149">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=474116:date=Jul 1 2010, 07:04 PM:name=The Jackal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Jackal @ Jul 1 2010, 07:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=474116">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Any chance of released this on the wiki? My computer won't let me download from file sharing sites...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'll get started on working on a wiki page for the hack, then. :)
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    Cheers mate!
     
  16. Icewarrior

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    Gotta love the use of the Mighty Morphins boss theme for Robotnik
     
  17. I haven't spent a whole lot of time with this hack yet, but I'm loving what I'm seeing so far. The layouts present a decent challenge without being overly hard, and they flow quite nicely. The new palettes/sprites are quite nice as well. The only real criticisms I have mostly boil down to personal preference and very minor quirks: I don't care for the GHZ music as much as I'd like, in my opinion, it's good, but it doesn't really fit the zone's "vibe" all that well. Also, I noticed that Sonic's new palette for his walking sprites appears to be unfinished. When he's walking (as in moving, but not doing the "spinning feet" animation), he appears to revert back to his Sonic 1 palette for a frame or two halfway through the animation. Looks like a minor oversight, but it may be worth looking into. Other than those minor nitpicks, keep doing what you're doing!
     
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