Sonic Classic Heroes

If going in this direction suggested above... I'd say that Insta-shield should demand a double press if Sonic is uncurled... In the current release, it DOES look a little off... seeing Sonic go right into said maneuver while uncurled.

 

Thanks for hearing my input on a hack that I really enjoy.


Regarding the insta-insta-shield, I dunno either way. Yeah it does seem a little redundant; a second press that isn't so amazing. But I'm gonna go with keep it as a 2nd press. The main defense for supporting that possibly redundant feel is that this is exactly how it is for the move in its native game for any non-rolling jump. Sometimes the insta-shield just doesn't impress the player, but that's how it has always been. It's somewhat of a punishment reminder: You don't have a shield? Well this is all you get. It's subtle. Admittedly it's a shame that its subtlety (the rolling jump aid) can't be applied here since in this recently-recurled situation, since the character is always guaranteed to already have horizontal control. (Unless you make Sonic's recurling disable horizontal control! Heh ok now I'm making things too messy. But hmm.)

Another reason to keep it as 2 presses is that if the player finds the 2nd press insta-shield underwhelming (even though it's the same in Sonic 3), they'll probably find the 2nd press nothing-happens-at-all fairly disappointing as well. Let it remain stored and ready to use, the player uses it, doesn't think it's that great and viola, he feels just like he would in Sonic 3: "Hmm be cool if I had a shield."

Meanwhile, in practical terms the 2nd press method is more useful to the player. Recurl to bounce off a Buzzer, but hold your insta for the rebound onto a Coconuts (because they can be little mofos with their timing sometimes). In fact if you Youtube "The Bouncing Challenge" you'll see a video of a 10-hit rebound in EHZ. The most irritating thing about trying to pull that off? The god damn Coconuts and their timing. Now if the player had started The Bouncing Challenge with a run-off the left quarterpipe instead of a roll-off (perhaps to make good use of Sonic's slightly better speed now?), the 2nd press insta-shield would be an absolute treasure and you would feel like a boss as you tell that Coconuts he can kindly stfu with his damn projectiles.

The 2nd press method also saves you from having to decide if a running fall --> recurl+insta move --> bounce off a lightning shield --> press jump the 2nd time will now have the secondary move ready or not.
If not, then the player was unable to enjoy the lightning shield's move kicking in* even though he hadn't used his 2nd press.
If so, then we just changed from hammering jump does nothing, to pressing jump does lightning jump.
* A note here. This particular idea of being able to fall or spring, then recurl, then bounce off a shield monitor, then use that shield ability while still leaping around through the air (with no ground reset necessary) is something I have often wished I could do in one particular place in EHZ. (Red diagonal spring that's tucked under a mobius strip --> recurl --> lightning shield --> huge bounce to where 4 Coconuts and a life are.) (Man I love EHZ in this hack heh.)

And yeah, KofH's point about the look of insta-shielding from a running Sonic.


Just my 222 cents.

 

Don't know if it helps bugfixing, but I managed to get myself stuck in this part of CPZ2, couldn't get outside the box with any of the characters.

 

Ah heh yeah. Well it's completely useful when it's useful; Sonic 3's boss is a different story for Tails for the same reason. Personally though I find the jump control business the real beauty of it. I really love the insta-shield, it's probably my favourite of all the classic moves.

Super and Hyper Sonic's double jump? Oh man, not fussed lol.

Edit - All cases? What about rolling falls?

 

I did a quick search but I didn't see anything mentioned about this, but hell, I could've missed it.

Is there something that can be done about Sonic constantly catching up to and then skidding to slow down and then repeating whenever he's CPU controlled? I understand the point of making him a bit faster to try and separate the characters some and maybe I'm the only one who finds the constant skidding annoying, but it's something I figured I'd throw my two cents out on. (I'm sure if Player 2 was controlling him, he'd go running ahead of Player 1 constantly as well, already making a haphazard co-op experience even more so :P)

 

Perhaps if CPU-controlled Sonic had different stats from proper Sonic. I've seen the same principle applied in other games often enough.

Spoiler

fucking Daisy catching up from 6th place because the game decided that her kart is faster now

 

I know I've pointed this out, but the sonic speed glitch also occurs during the ending sequence, with sonic leaving the others behind in the fire. I can easily see this happening in the post-Scrap Brain segment too. Nothing too important, but surely something to look into later on down the line.

 

I never noticed that. Is there any reason why that is in S3K? Either they simply neglected to make the palette changes? Or they couldn't get all the colors needed for each of their underwater palettes... Or the palette effect simply wasn't applied due to only having Hyper forms and Super Tails in lock-on mode...

 

Sweet it got fixed. I would be willing to believe that it's not a big deal if it doesn't get added, being that it's a rare bug that doesn't even break the game. If you don't have the time to bother with it, I could certainly do it when I hop on my laptop later.

 

Man you don't half have some great ideas and having the gift to apply them fast and effectively is just an incredible sight to see.

 

That looks fantastic. Though, It'd look better if they started running from off screen when the ending starts. It always looked weird that Sonic stood there in running pose for a second before moving.

 

Oh my god, that's such a cool idea...

I'd make the Death Egg raise from the ground instead of coming with the Wing Fortress, though.