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Discussion in 'Engineering & Reverse Engineering' started by flamewing, Nov 2, 2010.

  1. rata

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    I just had a thought: what if super flashing was made with highlight mode? Sure, white entry would have to moved to color 15 (if I understood your explanation correctly) and it may be just a little epileptic non-friendly, but it could allow you to use the two lines without enemies flashing problems.

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    Super flashing isn't nice for epileptics anyway, so...

    EDIT: spoilered by covarr's request, and maybe for humanity's safety.
     
  2. Covarr

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    Please oh please spoiler that. By your own admission, it's not epileptic friendly, and it's even making my eyes hurt and I'm not epileptic.
     
  3. flamewing

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    Sprites can't be highlighted, only planes can.

    Also, every single level would have to be redone to appear correct, and this would further screw up plane priorities: for example, there would be no way to have characters moving in front of some palmtrees but behind others in GHZ and EHZ.
     
  4. rata

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    Okay, then I completly mis-understood everything you said about highlight/shadow mode. I thought it affected sprites, not planes. Sorry, my bad. Thank you for the explanation.
     
  5. flamewing

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    Sprites can be shadowed by an appropriate arrangement of priorities on it and on the planes; but the highlight operator is a color in a sprite (on the last palette line), and it works as any other non-transparent sprite: it masks sprites under it. The end result is that the underlying plane pixels will show up highlighted. Same goes for the shadow operator.

    Hm, I need to write a tutorial on shadow/highlight; might be useful for someone.
     
  6. rata

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    Well, that would be really nice. I for example took interest when you mentioned shadow/highlight mode because I wanted to use it as some sort of ┬┐bloom? -when you're used to light and then it get's turned off and vice versa-, and also to indicate character swapping/availability in the hack I have in mind that will never actually make it.
    But for those people who can do it, it would be awesome to have a tuto for it.

    EDIT: check that out, that what you said now shows me that one of the intended uses are not possible.
     
  7. Brainulator

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    I'd be more for it if they flashed more slowly, perhaps a Super Tails/Super Knuckles speed. Even Super Sonic speed would be better. + - At least it's not like Porygon...  
     
  8. flamewing

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    A stab at super:
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    Object palettes come later, this took forever to make.
     
  9. Black Squirrel

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    Would you not be better off putting the animals on the second palette line?
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  10. flamewing

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    That is such an obvious (and obviouly good) idea I don't know why I didn't do it before. Of course, Hyper Tails' super flickies will still use the same palette line as the characters because they are supposed to flash.
     
  11. JcFerggy

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    I think the characters would look better if they didn't go full white.
     
  12. flamewing

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    I think I got all objects that use palette lines 0 or 1:
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    Slight tweak in player palette, and two options for second palette, based on Black Squirrel's. I don't know which of them I prefer: for some things, the top one is clearly better, for other things the bottom one wins.

    I tried JcFerggy's idea, and I think I like it. It might be better by removing another step, but I didn't try it.

    Two random things:
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  13. Black Squirrel

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    I think on balance the top one is better - there are more grey things than orange ones.

    It is unfortunate that Sonic 2 decided to add that extra shade of grey - kinda ruins everything.
     
  14. Drex

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    Custom animals? I had started on a few a while back. Might as well include the Sonic CD animals too.
     
  15. flamewing

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    I thought of the SCD animals (and the S3&K seagul, yeah). The problem they have is the lack of a facing-forward pose, so they can't be used in most places. Except, maybe, for the S1->S2 transition in SCH.

    That cat is very interesting, please do more :v:
     
  16. Drex

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    NP It'll be easy to make forward facing sprites for the SCD animals. I may edit the SCD penguin to look like the regular penguin. I'll try to come up with more animals.
     
  17. Could use the Advance games as a source for finding more animals to use.
     
  18. Drex

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    Great idea. Seems like they use the same animals from Sonic Adventure. That's good because I was already planing on converting some of them anyway.
     
  19. MotorRoach

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    Whoa whoa whoa wait, where have I seen that handsome guy on the bottom left before? ;^]
     
  20. Couldn't help but notice those critter sprites.
    So you need front-facing sprites of the SCD ones? Have no worry, as I made them on this item & object spritesheet I put back in August last year.
    [Items & Object spritesheet]
    It also includes the Seagull, Tiger & Iggy from the Flicky game, and my takes on the Sonic 3D Blast Flickies. Please excuse the names for the unamed animals, I had trouble with the theme. Hopefully people will find a use for some of the other sprites featured in the sheet.
    I did show this off at the Pixelart thread, but it was in a spoiler tag and they do tend to play up on here sometimes. Have fun tweaking the sprites for them.