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Sonic 3K BPM Request

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  1. LordOfSquad

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    Does anyone have a list of the beats per minute for all of the songs in Sonic 3K, or is there some program that can figure this out for me? Thanks.
     
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    Most audio DAWs offer support for finding the BPM of a song. I recommend <a href="http://www.nch.com.au/dj/index.html" target="_blank">Zulu DJ Software</a>, as it's completely free. You can download all of the songs from Sonic 3K on the wiki.

    EDIT: The auto-beatfinding seems to be iffy with Sonic tunes, but you can always tap the beat in too.
     
  3. LordOfSquad

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    It works well enough for my purposes, thanks a bunch!

    Lock if needed.
     
  4. nineko

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    <!--quoteo(post=414511:date=Feb 22 2010, 04:37 AM:name=LordOfSquad)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LordOfSquad @ Feb 22 2010, 04:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=414511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lock if needed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->No, at this point you might as well post the results of your experiments here, in case someone else needs BPMs for those songs, or in case you get wrong results and someone wants to tell you that you're doing it wrong:)

    edit: sometimes I type like a noob.
     
  5. LordOfSquad

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    <!--quoteo(post=414524:date=Feb 21 2010, 09:12 PM:name=nineko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nineko @ Feb 21 2010, 09:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=414524">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=414511:date=Feb 22 2010, 04:37 AM:name=LordOfSquad)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LordOfSquad @ Feb 22 2010, 04:37 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=414511">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lock if needed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->No, at this point you might as well post the results of your experiments and post them here, in case someone else needs BPMs for those songs, or in case you get wrong results and someone wants to tell you that you're doing it wrong:)
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    Here's what I got. The acronyms should be easy enough to figure out.

    Title S3 - 114
    Title SK - 107
    Competition - 107
    MH1 - 106
    Azure Lake - 103
    Knuckles - 106
    Balloon Park - 193
    Special Stage - 193
    Chrome Gadget - 100
    Chaos Emerald - 108
    Desert Palace - 130
    Continue - 171
    Endless Mine - 133
    SK Invincibility - 116
    SK Midboss - 150
    No Way - 105
    Data Select - 112
    Act Clear - 109
    AIZ - 176
    MH2 - 113
    Antigrav - 120
    Slots - 112
    SK 1up - 106
    Boss - 150
    Game OVer - 112
    S3 Invincibility - 124
    S3 Midboss - 110
    FB1 - 150
    AI2 - 112
    FB2 - 150
    Gumball - 188
    S1 - 140
    S2 - 131
    LR1 - 118
    LR2 - 120
    HC1 - 195
    SS - 111
    DE1 - 116
    Out of Air - 113
    DE2 - 150
    HC2 - 103
    Final Boss - 200
    MG1 - 113
    MG2 - 114
    TD - 144
    CN1 - 110
    CN2 - 111
    IC1 - 138
    IC2 - 138
    LB1 - 197
    LB2 - 114
    Ending - 101

    Not all the tracks are here, just what I needed.

    Also, since the thread is still open, does anyone have high quality versions of the voice samples? You know, the "Go" from Launch Base, the "C'mon" from the Midboss song. If no one has them, I was just gonna splice them out of some MJ songs.
     
  6. nineko

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    Thanks for the list, hopefully it will be useful to someone else in the future :)

    As for the samples, I'm sure somewhere on this forum there are the ones extracted directly from the ROM, but I'm not sure they're high quality enough for what you're doing...
     
  7. Andlabs

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    <a href="http://idisk.mac.com/pietro10-Public/s3sampswav.rar" target="_blank">These?</a>
     
  8. LordOfSquad

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    <!--quoteo(post=414529:date=Feb 21 2010, 09:22 PM:name=Andlabs)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andlabs @ Feb 21 2010, 09:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=414529">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://idisk.mac.com/pietro10-Public/s3sampswav.rar" target="_blank">These?</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, that's the stuff. Thanks.

    I dunno how accurate the BPM list I posted is, by the way. I seem to recall reading somewhere in the Sonic 4 thread that Angel Island 1 was 133 BPM. =/
     
  9. nineko

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    You know, I'm dumb. I just realised you can use the BPM from the midi files in the Sonic & Knuckles Collection <_<

    I'll edit this post later with a list.

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    1. 153
    2. 130
    3. 135
    4. 98
    5. 128
    6. 114
    7. 113
    8. 127
    9. 127
    10. 147
    11. 151
    12. 131
    13. 129
    14. 140
    15. 128
    16. 123
    17. 125
    18. 142
    19. 135
    20. 126
    21. 119
    22. 148
    23. 148
    24. 150
    25. 151
    26. 153
    27. 147
    28. 139
    29. 131
    30. 128
    31. 135
    32. 145
    33. 160
    34. 147
    35. 130
    36. 128
    37. 134
    38. 150
    39. 185
    40. 110
    41. 148
    42. 120
    43. 186
    44. 133
    45. 147
    46. 112
    47. 135, 200
    48. 160, 162, 165, 170, 177, 184, 190, 194, 200, 205, 215, 224, 235, 245, 255, 264, 273, 289, 293, 296, 298, 332
    49. 141
    50. 125
    51. 140
    52. 150, 146
    53. 128
    54. 170
    55. 144
    56. 143, 124, 125, 151, 142, 150, 148, 143
    Keep in mind that there are also the replaced tracks in there (e.g. LBZ, ICZ, CNZ, the competition menu, and that unused song).
     
  10. LordOfSquad

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    I have no idea what BPMs are for what track, and I don't have the MIDIs on me. Can you let me know, if it's not a problem? I appreciate the help. As far as I can tell, the BPMs I found are completely wrong.
     
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    Code (Text):
    1. Sonic 3 title screen&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;153
    2. AIZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;130
    3. AIZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;135
    4. HCZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;98
    5. HCZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;128
    6. MGZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;114
    7. MGZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;113
    8. CNZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;127
    9. CNZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;127
    10. FBZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;147
    11. FBZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;151
    12. ICZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;131
    13. ICZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;129
    14. LBZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;140
    15. LBZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;128
    16. MHZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;123
    17. MHZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;125
    18. SPZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;142
    19. SPZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;135
    20. LRZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;126
    21. LRZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;119
    22. SSZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;148
    23. DEZ1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;148
    24. DEZ2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;150
    25. Miniboss&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;151
    26. Robotnik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;153
    27. DDZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;147
    28. Glowing Sphere&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;139
    29. Special Stage&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;131
    30. Slot Machine&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;128
    31. Gumball&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;135
    32. Sonic 3 Knuckles&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;145
    33. ALZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;160
    34. BPZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;147
    35. DPZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;130
    36. CGZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;128
    37. EMZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;134
    38. Game Over&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;150
    39. No way? No way! No way? No way!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;185
    40. Act complete&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;110
    41. Sonic 3 1-up&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;148
    42. Emerald Collected&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;120
    43. Sonic 3 invincibility&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;186
    44. Competition menu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;133
    45. Unused song&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;147
    46. Data select&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;112
    47. DEZ3 / Knuckles' SSZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;135, 200
    48. Drowning&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;160, 162, 165, 170, 177, 184, 190, 194, 200, 205, 215, 224, 235, 245, 255, 264, 273, 289, 293, 296, 298, 332
    49. Sonic 3 victory fanfare&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;141
    50. Sonic 3 staff roll&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;125
    51. Sonic & Knuckles Knuckles&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;140
    52. Sonic & Knuckles title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;150, 146
    53. Sonic & Knuckles 1-up&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;128
    54. Sonic & Knuckles invincibility&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;170
    55. Sonic & Knuckles victory fanfare&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;144
    56. Sonic & Knuckles staff roll&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;143, 124, 125, 151, 142, 150, 148, 143
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=414692:date=Feb 22 2010, 09:53 AM:name=LordOfSquad)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LordOfSquad @ Feb 22 2010, 09:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=414692">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I dunno how accurate the BPM list I posted is, by the way. I seem to recall reading somewhere in the Sonic 4 thread that Angel Island 1 was 133 BPM. =/<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That was me actually. :(
    <!--quoteo(post=411494:date=Feb 16 2010, 05:32 PM:name=ddrmaxromance)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ddrmaxromance @ Feb 16 2010, 05:32 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=411494">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, about the music (BPM = beats per minute [est.]):
    150 BPM - Sonic 1 GHZ (C Major with an emphasis on F)
    138 BPM - Sonic 2 EHZ
    133 BPM - Sonic 3 AIZ
    117 BPM - Sonic&K MHZ
    159 BPM - THIS SONG (F Major)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But they were only estimates: I was actually figuring out the numbers the old-fashioned way by using a real metronome that I have and found that 133 was very close to the song's tempo when I played the game itself. But I'm glad to know I was off by only 3 BPM! :)
     
  13. nineko

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    It is possible, and it is actually very likely, that the midi files in the S&K Collection have a slightly different speed than the original songs on the Genesis, so your 133 estimate might be correct as well.
     
  14. Azu

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    Using OSU! I got 151 or so for the S3/SK Boss theme.
     
  15. LordOfSquad

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    This is excellent, thanks! Hopefully I'll be able to share what I've been working on soon. =)
     
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