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Sonic 3 & Knuckles: The Challenges

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  1. SMTP

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    <!--quoteo(post=352180:date=Sep 17 2009, 05:41 PM:name=ColinC10)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ColinC10 @ Sep 17 2009, 05:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=352180">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=352100:date=Sep 17 2009, 07:22 PM:name=SMTP)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SMTP @ Sep 17 2009, 07:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=352100">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=351649:date=Sep 15 2009, 10:06 PM:name=Dark Sonic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dark Sonic @ Sep 15 2009, 10:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=351649">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=351643:date=Sep 15 2009, 05:45 PM:name=jasonchrist)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jasonchrist @ Sep 15 2009, 05:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=351643">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The final boss is a big disappointment... be warned!

    Still though, love the journey. :D<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    What are you talking about the final boss is epic lulz all around.
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    I agree, it was quite the disappointment. :P

    Though still a great hack all around.
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    Aww... I thought that challenge was a nice little reward! :( What the hell were you guys expecting, a fully 3D Doomsday Zone? Actually, that's not a bad idea...
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    Was hoping for an ALL bosses thing. :P
     
  2. HighFrictionZone

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    I found the final boss to be very awesome! I mean this with all seriousness.
    I suppose I can see where they are coming from, since <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I can complete it without worrying about ring management, making it actually easier than the original doomsday zone.</span>
     
  3. Overlord

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  4. nineko

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    In all honesty I think this is the best I can do without cheating:
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    I doubt I can do any better than this :(
     
  5. JDAdams

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    I got 272 rings on the HCZ2 ring grab, and still only an A! FFS, what does it take? It's 275 isn't it? I knew I should have grabbed the three by the boss. Similarly for the FBZ vandal - 46 is apparently not enough, though I'm pretty confident that's as good as it gets. Do I just need to do it faster (had about 6 seconds left)? Lastly, Final Battle 1 - I can only get a C and I thought that was a really quick run - what sort of time do I need left for an S?

    Oh, GREAT hack by the way. Genius in both idea and execution. A+++++ would play again etc.
     
  6. ColinC10

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    <!--quoteo(post=353694:date=Sep 22 2009, 08:00 PM:name=JDAdams)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JDAdams @ Sep 22 2009, 08:00 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353694">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I got 272 rings on the HCZ2 ring grab, and still only an A! FFS, what does it take? It's 275 isn't it? I knew I should have grabbed the three by the boss. Similarly for the FBZ vandal - 46 is apparently not enough, though I'm pretty confident that's as good as it gets. Do I just need to do it faster (had about 6 seconds left)? Lastly, Final Battle 1 - I can only get a C and I thought that was a really quick run - what sort of time do I need left for an S?

    Oh, GREAT hack by the way. Genius in both idea and execution. A+++++ would play again etc.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As it says in the tip for one of the challenges, your rank is based on score and time (although score is much more important). You have a very high score in both of the challenges you mention, so you just need to do it faster. With the exception of the challenges with more lenient time limits - that's Tag Team 3, Bodyguard 1/2 and High Voltage 1/2 - the S rank target is always either 0:30, 1:00 or 1:30 remaining. Good luck! :)
     
  7. synchronizer

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    I get a no way message ala blue sphere in genesis plus and generator.
     
  8. Bozo

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    <!--quoteo(post=350449:date=Sep 12 2009, 09:33 PM:name=SMTP)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SMTP @ Sep 12 2009, 09:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=350449">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Ring stages give you a rank based on how many TOTAL rings you have collected by the end of the stage. Time is not considered at all.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

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    Not entirely. Time does help your rank, even if not by a lot.
     
  9. Selbi

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    Ok, even with endless TASing, I can only get these results:

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    Total dead end. <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>Anyone giving me his SRAM so I can play the other levels?</span>
     
  10. JDAdams

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    Getting there! I have S in all of them now (except FB3), hell yeah:) Final Battle 1 I left for last since I found tiresome simply because of the boring first boss. The second is much better but so unpredictable (to a point). It's funny though, after I ran through the rest of the S-ranks I was missing I got FB1 on my very first try.

    Edit: This is sooooo much easier now I've stopped going for the highest possible scores - it's just a matter of picking which outlying rings / objects to drop. Still got an S with 329 rings on Ring Grab 2 though :P

    Also, to the person who said that a death should end the challenge, I S-ranked Tag Team 3 with a death. I did die approx. 1 second after hitting a star post, but that was actually handy as <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>it reset the ghosts</span> :)

    Finally, I nearly gave up on this when I got to Vandal 2 - just didn't seem so much fun. I'm glad I persevered, it really adds another dimension. Saw FB3 coming - at least I knew it must be a variation on that simply because <span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>I realised every level or level segment was used just the once, and TDZ was left over</span>
     
  11. synchronizer

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    So it only works in Windows Genesis emulators then? Okay
     
  12. Jayextee

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    Actually, I've been playing it in Kega Fusion for Mac. Works fine here.
     
  13. GT Koopa

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    <!--quoteo(post=353803:date=Sep 22 2009, 06:14 PM:name=synchronizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (synchronizer @ Sep 22 2009, 06:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=353803">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I get a no way message ala blue sphere in genesis plus and generator.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <a href="http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=17399&view=findpost&p=350051" target="_blank">I found a way to bypass that.</a>
     
  14. JDAdams

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    OK, now I have S ranks in everything :) No ending screen on completion? Shame! A great hack all round though, I only have the time to play a few and yours always appeal. Thanks!
     
  15. Herm the Germ

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    Reportin' that this also works on the Wii Port of Genesis Plus without any problems whatsoever.
     
  16. SMTP

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    Here are videos of The Final Battles for anyone that cant get to them but wants to see them:


    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLDdlRGhTTI" target="_blank">Final Battle 1</a> (I fucked up at the last second in this video, getting me an A instead of an S. Pretend the fuck up didnt happen and its an S. :P )

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISrVNZ-d3ao" target="_blank">Final Battle 2</a>

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTIezQFCOww" target="_blank">Final Battle 3</a>
     
  17. nineko

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    <!--quoteo(post=355418:date=Sep 28 2009, 03:13 AM:name=SMTP)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SMTP @ Sep 28 2009, 03:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=355418">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I fucked up at the last second in this video, getting me an A instead of an S. Pretend the fuck up didnt happen and its an S. :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Interesting, once again we use a similar strategy for that boss. I, too, wait on the right for him to fire the three fireballs, but unlike you I usually land two hits on him while he's descending, and two while he's jumping on the emerald. In fact, a maximum of 5 hits can be landed, as shown in the current TAS.
     
  18. <!--quoteo(post=355424:date=Sep 27 2009, 09:41 PM:name=nineko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nineko @ Sep 27 2009, 09:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=355424">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=355418:date=Sep 28 2009, 03:13 AM:name=SMTP)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SMTP @ Sep 28 2009, 03:13 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=355418">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I fucked up at the last second in this video, getting me an A instead of an S. Pretend the fuck up didnt happen and its an S. :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Interesting, once again we use a similar strategy for that boss. I, too, wait on the right for him to fire the three fireballs, but unlike you I usually land two hits on him while he's descending, and two while he's jumping on the emerald. In fact, a maximum of 5 hits can be landed, as shown in the current TAS.
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    I can do that WITHOUT TAS. Just requires excellent timing.

    Also I just saw Final Battle 3. THAT was epic as hell. Now if only we could get Super Tails and Super Knuckles to work in DoomsDay without looking garbled.
     
  19. MainMemory

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    Um, you can. You just have to enter debug before the transformation and it will restore your correct mappings when you exit it.
     
  20. <!--quoteo(post=355463:date=Sep 27 2009, 11:40 PM:name=MainMemory)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MainMemory @ Sep 27 2009, 11:40 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=355463">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Um, you can. You just have to enter debug before the transformation and it will restore your correct mappings when you exit it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    WOW. I didn't know that! Thanks!

    EDIT: Aww...but Knuckles is running in air! He should be gliding, It would look better...

    At least Tails looks like he is flying...
     
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