Sonic 3 Complete

Which makes me wonder why the inconsistencies in the palette exist at all.

Maybe uniforming Knuckles' colors is within the scope of Sonic 3 Complete?

 

The green of Knuckles' shoe over-rides the yellow in the HUD if you were to change the palette of the currently used method, hence why the yellow is on his socks. I dunno about the different red shades, but I assume it's the same thing.

EDIT: The burgundy reds look like they could have used the same reds as his shoes, which is a bit baffling as to why they didn't.

 

Clearly, this is Knuckles' sister, who has the same name as Knuckles.

Jokes aside, I can see where the socks are coming from, but the shades of reds are a joke, really.

 

The red in Knuckles' quills would change... to the red in Knuckles' quills?

 

The Palette inconsistency is the way "Scene" Knuckles as I call him is drawn to share the Teleporter's Pink color Aswell as what was explained about the HUD colors. I myself have been trying to find a way to re-arrange art colors and get around this but it all depends on the Current "Scene" and what's happening in the level really.

 

Normal Sonic 3 and Knuckles gitch found -

Yesterday I was playing as Knuckles with all chaos emeralds (from the beginning) I got to CNZ2 and right at the end, I just came out of a bonus stage, I didn't go through the ground like Knuckles normally does, but instead continued on Sonics path for some reason (as super knuckles). When I fell down to the area where Knuckles hits the switch to suck Sonic up to Robotnik, the switch wasn't there (obviously) there was no capsule, no sign post, nothing. I couldn't use the teleporter and I wasn't getting sucked up to the top to fight robo. I was pretty much stuck down the bottom with 300 rings. By a small amount of luck though, I was able to climb up the tube and jump climb up to the other tube after trying (and wasting) about 180 rings.

I haven't been able to locate where the glitch occurred yet. It might have been when I left the bonus stage, it might have been because earlier on I skipped half the level by jumping across the barbers poles to get towards the end.

I assume you hit a point in the game as knuckles where it loads the capsule in Knuckles area. This should get fixed to detect if you're knuckles as it's not the first time it's occurred for me.

 

Yeah, that's an old glitch. I assume the point marker doesn't save which plane you're on, so it dumps you on Sonic's by default. It's actually a way to legitimately fight the boss as Knuckles.

 

This is a dream come true for everyone who prefers the Sonic the Hedgehog 3 theme to the Sonic & Knuckles theme, and it's also the way the game should have been shipped back then. One of the best hacks I have seen around for sure, up to the point that I consider it already the default version of the game to play (and that's much considering is my favourite Sonic the Hedgehog game).

The game is already pretty fine as it is now. Some of the proposed changes tend to make it like some sort of "Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Deluxe" or something on the like. The version there is now already fits the purpose of being "Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Complete" in my eyes. I would only point out a couple of things, mainly in the musical changes.

First, I don't agree with those who say that the S&K mini-boss tune should be the standard and the STH3 mini-boss tune should go to the Knuckles fight only. I prefer the way it its now, if just because this mainly is a "Sonic 3-ification" as it was named already, and even if it appears that tune was intended mainly for that fight alone and because of the similarities with the Knuckles theme. The only thing I would do to give it a little more relevance to the S&K mini-boss tune would be to add it also to the first Launch Baze Zone Act 2 fight, so all three boss fights would have different musics (of course, I totally agree with the restoration of the third boss fight, and also with having the sky darkening and the final boss tune for it, because this mid-part is a crutial point for the whole adventure since this is the first attempt of launching the Death Egg that there's in the game). Having the S&K mini-boss also being used there, it would be consistent to other stages that also had double confrontations with Dr. Eggman, like Flying Battery Zone Act 2, which already has the S&K mini-boss tune for the first fight and the standard Eggman boss tune for the second. The mini-bosses, no matter which they are, should stay with the STH3 mini-boss tunes since none of them are impersoned by Dr. Eggman.

Second, although the STH3 Credits music does fit perfectly with the ending scene, making it standing as a proper ending music sequence instead of just reusing the Sky Sanctuary music, and making the ending similar that way to Sonic the Hedgehog 2 with its "Sweet Dreams" ending theme. But it just for the people who loved listening that music matched to a credits sequence, there could be a IPS patch moving the STH3 Credits music and replacing the music medley (which, on the other hand, is much better now by using the complete medley of the STH3C beta that was leaked). The ending sequence would still retain the Sky Sanctuary music that way I guess. Again, I see the current musical choice in both the ending and the credits to be fine and be standard way as it is now, but as an alternate thing to be done with IPS patches, it would be just great.

And about some important extensions of the game that have been discussed already, I wouldn't bother that much with the Tails presence up until the very end of the game in a Sonic & Tails play being inconsistent with him appearing afterwards with the Tornado. After all, this isn't a Sonic Adventure game, and the game doesn't rely in explaining this plot aspects too much. I would leave it as it is now, so it wouldn't ruin the gameplay balance as it was set up. Anyone can play or a Sonic alone play or the separate Sonic & Knuckles game to have that right. And seeing Knuckles to pilot the Tornado just doesn't seem right to me (the only time he was seen piloting anything was the shuttle of Sonic Adventure 2 and he almost crashed the thing. By the way he was born, he has never had piloting basics for sure). I prefer as it is now, even if resulting somewhat strange.

I also wouldn't bother to replace Flying Battery Zone where it was originally planned. Sure it would fit, giving the level transitions that there are (as said, only Knuckles would have a problem with that, and also something would have to do with the missing link between Mushroom Hill Zone and Sandopolis Zone), but I think that would break the game balance among its two sides and would left the STH3 way part of the game longer than the S&K part. It would be fine for an alternate thing to do via IPS patching, but I wouldn't let it as standard. Plus, in order to have the game that way, I would try to do something in order left the game allow to go for the Super Emeralds just after you have managed to get the regular Chaos Emeralds already, and not having to wait to arrive Mushroom Hill Zone already, because with Flying Battery Zone now on the STH3 side instead of the S&K side, you are left with fewer chances to get the Super Emeralds.

Either way, I want to thank Tiddles a lot for doing this, as it was something I have always wanted to see, and even when the STH3C beta was leaked out, it was still an incomplete representation of it due to obvious beta-prototype reasons.

 

First off, let me say thank you for this incredible hack. It's everything I've wanted Sonic 3 to be, and more.

I was playing coop the other day, and play broke down a bit when we got to Sky Sanctuary. None of the teleporters will take Tails with Sonic, so we have to wait for him to fly in after every teleporter. It's a minor inconvenience.

While you are fixing debug mode bugs, there are some graphical errors associated with Knuckles in Sonic's LBZ2.



Robotnik is here.



Two things. First, Knuckles is in the Eggmobile backwards. Second, the event Knuckles is not there.



This boss is garbled. LBZ2 music is still playing, and the sky doesn't darken after this one is beaten. After you beat the Big Arm boss and Knuckles' normal cutscene plays, the camera pans way down and right, to a darkened sky.

 

Feature Request: Give the player the ability to drop tails out of "flying" so that he falls with a button combination like down + A/B/C. I'm sick of waiting for Tails to land on the ground and this also causes another problem in CNZ2 where you can bounce forever when tails in exhausted after Knuckles turns out the lights (the area where the water level lowers, where the bouncers are that bounce you in a zig-zag line) This can be avoided by allowing flying to be cancelled out. obviously, don't let Tails fall into a roll otherwise this can be used as an advantage against most bosses.

 

I want Knuckles to be able to climb ceilings and dig through walls.

Though, you bring a valid point: force Tails into a spin if he's flying when he hits the bumpers. And also, if you haven't already, make it so Hyper Sonic doesn't activate bobbins with his dash attack. :E

 

I love this so much. Played it completely through yesterday.

My only minor complaint is a couple things glitching in Launch Base zone, making it difficult to get past the barriers where you need to destroy a red sensor to get through.

Also the grasshoper-type badniks were glitching in LBZ.

But thank you for making this. Great work!

 

Game seems to hang every time I try double-jumping after applying the normal super transformation patch.

 

I was wondering, can we suggest you patch ideas? or even features/misc. ideas?

 

No worries, would be just music patches actually:

- Use of the S3 invincibility theme for invincibility and S&K invincibility theme for Super/Hyper forms
- Use of the S3 miniboss theme for S3 mini-bosses and S&K miniboss theme for S&K mini-bosses
- Use of S&K Knuckles theme exclusively, for both his appearances and fight

I'll see if I have other ideas

EDIT:
Well, don't know if it's been mentionned already but Super Tails, without the birds, available after you get the 7 chaos emeralds and Hyper Tails available once you got the 7 super emeralds, with birds, ghosts and immunity to drown. Don't know if it's actually achievable though.

An intro cutscene for Tails, exactly like the Sonic one with the roles reversed obviously.

Sonic 3-ification of the Sonic/Tails VS final Launch Base 2 boss battle ending (no "got through act 2" message, final boss theme keeps playing, just like in Sonic3, until Mushroom Hill)

 

Feature request: a patch to return super/hyper music to invinciblity rather than sped-up level music. I'm probably alone in this, but I prefer it.