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Discussion in 'Fangaming Discussion' started by Canned Karma, Mar 28, 2012.

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  1. Falk

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    Regardless of what it does or doesn't do, fuck you LOst for requiring me to now continually put in effort to perform damage control on my Youtube channel of all things. It's literally personal now.
     
  2. Candescence

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    What.

    What.

    WHAT.

    There is no fucking question about this now. LOst needs to go. This absolutely retarded shit has tarnished the Sonic 2 HD project, and the community as well. There is no words for how absolutely ludicrous this is.

    Unbelievable. Fuck you, LOst. Fuck you so hard.
     
  3. minichapman

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    Looks there's some 'splaining to do.

    I really hate to say it but I really don't think you guys will be able to recover from this.

    Not saying it's your fault in particular just LOst being a royal pain in the ass again.

    *Thisiswhywecan'thavenicethings.jpg*
     
  4. Lapper

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    Hey, LOst, Sonic has a message for you!
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    Yea.
     
  5. Miles Prower

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    Good thing I ran it in Wine.
     
  6. Chibisteven

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    I'm pissed and not happy. To put it simple: anybody that put in it there should be fucking ashamed of themselfs and second if it's the result of sloopy code, then you're a fucking moron. :argh:
     
  7. Columind

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    What the keylogger does isn't really the main issue for me personally. I just consider it the icing on the cake on a long string of "why the fuck are you putting this into a highly anticipated remake by fans, for the fans", that only adds more salt to the wound when LOst has not made any form of statement or counter argument to the thousands that are lambasting his precious work and ideals. Reasonable doubt is justified when it seems like not even the project leaders themselves can trust the guy who is making the game work when it's been proven that he's a loose cannon.

    An explanation from him has been in order for some time, especially now, but after putting it off, turning the blind eye and literally hiding,I seriously think people don't even want one at this point. They just want him gone, and I kind of don't blame them for that.
     
  8. Energy

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    I've been watching this from the shadows, played the game and with this latest dark twist in the tale, feel I should finally say what I wanted to at the beginning.

    Sonic Retro needs to ignore, blacklist, whatever, Sonic 2 HD and the development team. Now that might seem harsh as lots of the focus is on Lost's bad coding practices, but to me it seems like damage control - and by the looks of things it would have been a good idea in the first place. I know there are many people who put art and stuff into the game and they're not involved with the programming - but at what point has the team legitmatly come forward and said "What Lost has done is wrong, and I/we don't want to be connected to that". Heck everyone involved could pull their resources out of the game and leave him high and dry, but I'm yet to see that done.

    I know if I had done programming, music or art on this game I would be telling the team, I'm sorry but my work can't be used anymore on later releases while such practices continue. Even if people continued to use it I'd be shouting out loud publicly that it was being used against my wishes. I've yet to see people really do this.

    If the team really want to show they have any integrity left they need to do this. New engines can be made, I seem to remember people queuing up to be involved - I think everyone would think a lot more highly of the team if they stepped back and showed they didn't support the rouge elements such as Lost. The only time I've vaugly accepted what he did was the encryption, I know if I was doing a demo/alpha I'd want to hide my future surprises. So really I expected the team to come out and say "I'm sorry for the encryption, but it's just in the alpha to keep people pumped for the surprises in store", but when that didn't happen - that's when all credability walked away.

    Sonic Retro could remove all front page posts about the game and limit discussion to a single thread and that would be a service to the community. Sonic 2 HD has screwed people over so much, the countdown to nothing, their constant delays, their lack of clarity and openess to the community, and now an encrypted alpha, which has more DRM. If, when things went wrong with Lost, people stepped away and said we're struggling with our programmer. People would have been accepting and said 'shit happens', the community (cause it is a great one) would have stepped up and probably provided a team of programmers. Instead a large portion of the Sonic 2 HD team seems to just want to pass the buck. Why not show your support to the community - remove your artwork - your music - your code - whatever. Don't touch the project with a 10 ft pole unless things improve.

    So far this project has done way more damage than what it has publicly achieved. The arguments, the two-facedness, the bad programming. All for one small alpha that now the official stance is 'delete it'.

    It is a real shame - I was so excited by this idea, and what you have now is something that looks and plays great, but is marred by so much baggage it completely destroys the experience.
     
  9. Vangar

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    He's hidden from this forum before, I remember he ran off to Area51 after something similar.
     
  10. P3DR0

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    Wow, I didn't expected that at all...

    S2HD has reach a whole new level on douchiness. First there was that thing about making it a closed project, throwing away months of work from dedicated and passionate (and some even more skilled) people like it didn't mattered. The alpha release came and the engine was glitchy, the code was fully protected, the same code that was written and/or figured out by a lot of different people on the community. And now this... A keylogger... Seriously?


    S2HD is either the biggest joke of the year or the faggotiest fan-project ever.

    Way to go S2HD Team... Yes, I blame you too for LOst's mistakes since you chose to make this a closed project and weren't able to take control of your own programmer and his actions (Or are you going to say that if you go to McDonalds and your food is... I dunno... rotten you're going to sue the guy who took your order and gave your change?)... Bad, bad, bad administration.

    LOst, if you're reading this:
    EAT SHIT, MOTHERFUCKER!
     
  11. steveswede

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    To me that's not the point it's the fact he made it and I had to remove it from my computer. It should have never been in there in the first place.
     
  12. SF94

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    I think you missed his point. If it's not malicious, you didn't have to, and it's probably not doing... well, much of anything at all really, except tracking your input and not doing anything with it.
     
  13. steveswede

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    I didn't I'm intolerant to shit like that even if it doesn't work. Like I said it shouldn't have been there in the first place.
     
  14. Guess Who

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    Yeah, the point I'm making is that even describing it as a keylogger is overstating it. It's most likely just a bug (or design flaw or whatever) with how the game reads keyboard input.
     
  15. dsrb

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    Then why on Earth is it there?

    Even if it's only so that S2HD can process keyboard input at all times, not just when its window has focus, then that still sucks: it's bad design, bad faith, quite frankly egomaniacal, and demonstrative of an inability to stoop so low / program so well (delete as appropriate based upon whether you're LOst or anyone else) as to code in a routine that will pause the game if it loses focus.

    I do agree that there's a lot of overreaction here and that the code may well not have been intended maliciously at all, but it's still bad practice through and through.
     
  16. Rosie

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    I'm not mad, I'm just bemused. I mean I'm not exactly a genius programmer, but I can't see a good reason why this would be needed in the first place. It would be good for everyone if this was cleared up quickly.
     
  17. Falk

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    btw I'm also uninstalling Fraps because it starts recording video when I press F9 regardless of whether the Fraps window is in focus or not. WTF man

    don't expect any more gaming videos from me.
     
  18. steveswede

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    I not a programmer but from my perspective that just sounds like bullshit. I'm not saying what you are saying is but the excuse sounds too convenient.
     
  19. roxahris

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    Then you not qualified to talk.
     
  20. P3DR0

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    Malicious or not, it's unnecessary, it's unethical and probably ilegal as well. Also what prevents the next version of the game from acessing the data that's beeing recorded and using it for malicious treats? As far as I'm concerned nobody has dissecated the keylogger to know what kind of data it keeps track of.
    Not even the folks that worked with LOst for the past few months knew about this (or at least that's what they say), who knows? As far as I'm concerned LOst can be the devil himself and right now can be sitting on the a first class seat of an airplane with the destination to Costa Rica drinking dry Martini that he bought with the creditcards numbers that he got from the members using his keylogger.

    Before the shitstorm: I'm exagerating, of course. But the lack of a proper explanation of the team members and LOst himself is really weird in my opinion.
     
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