Sonic 2: Advanced Edit - Discussion

Discussion in 'Engineering & Reverse Engineering' started by qiuu, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. qiuu

    qiuu

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    Issues
    • A notable portion of CCZ2 is hard/impossible to access during regular play: CCZ2 has two starting positions, but exiting CCZ1 you always start at the lower one. For now, please use the level select to access the other starting position and access the rest of CCZ2.
    • We have a fix ready, but will wait in case there are more bug/issue reports during the upcoming weeks. We plan to fix major issues that are reported, but no new features will be implemented (unless someone else wants to take on major endeavors such as a title screen or special stage :P).
    • Please report any bugs/issues you find in this thread, or just post feedback and discuss. :) Some feedback on whether everything works on real hardware would be helpful.
    We hope you enjoy the hack.

    Credits
    Rika_chou: Concepts, level art, layouts, badnik art
    Qiuu: Object, badnik, boss concepts & programming, engine modifications, level layout for NSIZ2 and end of DDZ2
    ICEknight: badniks concepts & art, DDZ boss concept & art, misc art and ideas
    MoDule: snowboard programming, ring and object manager, bug fixes
    D.A. Garden: level layout for CCZ2
    Thorn: layouts for end of CCZ2 and end of DDZ1
    Resel: Blue Mountain Zone concept and level art
    Phoebius: Cosmic City Zone concept and level art
    Matwek: Jungle Zone foreground and object art
    Tweaker: Music Ports
    e-122-psi: Amy character art & programming
    SMTP: Knuckles object, S3K shields, Tails flying code (also thanks to drx for the flying code.)
    Esrael: Knuckles object, S1 sound driver
    Puto: Knuckles object, S3K shields
    Clownacy: Updated sound driver, ported sfx, sound related bug fixes
    Kilometers Prower: Original zone concept for RRZ (and Garnet Garden)
    Stealth: "curve grip" object
    redhotsonic: various bug fixes.
    Malevolence: object label organization
    BadCopNoDonut: Special Thanks (worked on previous release)
    Blue Emerald: Jungle Zone snake badnik art
    Cinossu: Snail badnik art
    Polygon Jim (RIP): Ideas for objects/level layout
    jman2050: ideas
    sik: Ideas and feedback
    nineko: Ideas and feedback
    MarkeyJester: Ideas and feedback
    flamewing: Ideas and feedback
    Jayextee: early discussions
    ScrewStache: composed music tracks, but lost contact and never got it into the game
    FireRat: some plans that didn't happen in the end :(
    SSRG Staff: providing a private subforum


    On title, press: Left, Right, A, B, C, B, A. (Select character with C button.)
     
  2. Rika Chou

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    (I have to keep this short as it's 5 AM and I should be in bed.)

    After 11 years, Sonic 2: Advanced Edit is back! Featuring 7 all-original Zones with new art, badniks, objects, and bosses! While many people have contributed to make this hack , this absolutely would never have happened if not for both Qiuu and ICEknight - I want to make sure they both get the credit they deserve. If we forgot to credit anyone, please let us know! (it's been a long time and hard to remember!)

    We really hope everyone has fun with this! :)


    From the contest entry:
    Screenshots!

    Neo south Island Zone!
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    Neo south Island Zone! - Zone art by Phoebius!

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    Bamboo Jungle Zone! - Zone foreground art by Matwek

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    Blue Mountain Zone! - Zone art by Resel! (originally made for project Sonic Retro)

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    Robotic Ruin Zone! - Original Zone concept by Kilometers Prower

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    Dusty Desert Zone!

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    Eggquarium Zone!


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  3. LordOfSquad

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    You all have made me so incredibly happy, I can't wait to be done with today so I can get into this. Thank you so much.
     
  4. Raivop

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    Amazing! Played three zones so far and man, this feels so polished in every possible way; I especially dig how gimmicks mesh with layouts really well. although I somehow managed to clip through spikes at Neo South Island Act 2's beginning. Anyway, I really enjoyed this hack 11 years ago, and never thought this would get another update. Props and thanks to y'all!
     
  5. MarkeyJester

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    I am looking forward to this~

    I might just go back and play the last release to remind myself of what it was like, and make a personal comparison. I saw a few brief things in redhotsonic's video, but other than that, I will be attempting to avoid spoiling anything =3
     
  6. Techokami

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    This is really amazing! Some of the gimmicks in Cosmic City were a little frustrating to deal with, though.
    And then I crashed the game by transforming into Super Sonic :( Emulator used: BizHawk 2.3.2/Genesis Plus GX r874
     
  7. Yuski

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    It´s incredible to see the hack returning after so long hiatus... Maybe should I revive my Sonic Gaiden hack? XD

    Everything looks incredible and new bosses are amazing (except the last one, it´s frustrating, specially playing with Amy.). I caused a bug after get over 10 minutes on a stage and when I arrived at the end sign, it didn´t finishes the level. The I died and the timer got locked at 0:00:00 (also, after this I lost Super transformation)
     
  8. Amazing work!

    I can't wait to get back home tonight and play this on Kega :)
     
  9. Yoritoshi

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    -In Bamboo Jungle 2, dying and restarting from the first checkpoint causes a camera freeze on the first water slide later on. This will kill the player and repeat until a game over.
    -In Blue Montain, it is possible to get pushed inside walls by the blocks floating over lava pools. This softlocks the game.

    Had to restart from a Bamboo Jungle save state thanks to that glitch but it's been a fun game so far. Loved the horizontal wrap around thing in the second zone's end.
     
  10. Strife

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    I tried this out for a few zones. The presence of original gimmicks, badniks and bosses really elevates this hack to a level I don't often see. The unique level art and variety of setpieces in each tileset is a welcome sight as well, and the courses I played through didn't have any cheap enemy or spike placements. That snail ramp enemy in particular is really clever - When it catapulted me into the air instead of making me lose all my rings I grinned in a "Yes! These guys get it!" sort of way.

    Some nitpicks/suggestions based on things I've noticed during my playthrough:

    - Fixing the softlocks and death loops mentioned so far; I fell victim to a couple of them, specifically the Bamboo Jungle death loop mentioned by Yoritoshi and 10 minute softlock on stage completion that Yuski mentioned
    - Adjusting the centiseconds on the timer to be base 100 instead of base 60
    - Fixing the music when collecting speed shoes so that it speeds up instead of slows down

    I'll be surprised if this doesn't win something in the hacking contest!
     
  11. SonicVaan

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    Wow, that's something unexpected. I played the last release to death and I really loved Neo Gigapolis and the Dangerous Seed ending theme on it. I'll play it ASAP and looking from the screenshots alone it looks amazing!
     
  12. Eduardo Knuckles

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    It's a good hack, but too superestimated, like Megamix.
     
  13. Ravenfreak

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    Damn I remember playing this hack back when I first joined the community! I'm extremely happy to see that it's returned and brought some old faces back to the forums too! I'm definitely giving this a go!
     
  14. Jason

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    Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to play on real hardware (at least my Model 2 with an Everdrive x5). I'll have to give it a play on an emulator soon.
     
  15. SyntaxTsu

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    There is a checkpoint in Robotic Ruin 1 that, if you restart from, the water level lowers to the point that the following section is made impossible thanks to the water level being at just the right level to make it impossible to jump up onto a higher platform needed to progress.

    Also, really like Dusty Desert Zone - how it's a desert level Act 1 and a cave level Act 2!
     
  16. Icewarrior

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    Oh man! I remember playing this and loving that hack, especially with that gigapolis zone and its music.

    What a big surprise to see it back! Cannot wait to play this, this will be the first sonic hack I play in years.
     
  17. Kilometers Prower

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    Wow, what a throwback! :) The Level Design, the revamped art... everything looks amazing. Great job, guys! I can’t wait to give this a try later today.
     
  18. BSonirachi

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    Opa-Opa takes flight! Wiki Sysop
    Oh wow, this is certainly a surprise to see, especially after 11 years since the last update. That said, the level design is a bit rough in places, and I did run into a few issues:

    - Power Sneakers will sometimes slow down music instead of speeding it up.
    - Blue Mountain Act 2 glitched up on me, displaying corrupted level graphics. This happened to me in BizHawk 2.3.2:
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    - The game itself won't work on real hardware for me. The sound driver breaks, then the game hangs on a black screen after selecting "START". This happened on a Mega Everdrive X5 on a US Model 1 Genesis.
    - Didn't the third release have some grey springs in Crystal Cavern Zone Act 1? They're red springs for some reason, which makes certain powerups harder to get to.

    Also, why is the Spin Dash disabled for Tails? It feels so weird for the move to be disabled for him when it's normally a standard for him in many 2D games.
     
  19. Black Squirrel

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    This is quite the achievement... but some of your level designs and bosses really aren't much fun. I think maybe you're stretching things out for too long - there's not enough variety to support 4-5 minutes for an Act (which is I guess why Sonic 2 avoided doing that). The last release did it better in terms of emulating the pacing of Sonic games.


    But a pleasant surprise otherwise!
     
  20. SyntaxTsu

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    There is a point for that - Look at Dusty Desert Zone 1 - it's about the length of two whole Sonic 2 zones - and larger than Lava Reef Zone 1. Probably the largest act in any Sonic hack to date.