So... Roboticization

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  1. RedStripedShoes

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    Just for shits and giggles, really.

    By roboticization, I am of course referring to the process within the SatAM/Archie canon. If you're unfamiliar with the concept, you can read about it <a href="http://info.sonicretro.org/Roboticization" target="_blank">here.</a> Basically, it turns any living being into a robot of roughly the same shape and size, only fully metallic. Roboticization also enslaves the victim by (almost) completely stripping them of free will. Also of note: it was originally designed to grant its users immortality.

    So, what are Retro's thoughts about the whole thing?
     
  2. Quarterman

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    I would use it to feed my robot porn fetishes. :v:

    In all seriousness though, I think that it would have fascinating medical applications. Or, you could convert the planet into robotic minions, with the exception of a group of kids who will grow up, form a freedom fighter team, and take your ass down. Your choice, really.
     
  3. Uncle Otis

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    For me, it all depends on who is the roboticizer and the roboticizee. Obviously, I want to be one of the roboticizers. Cyborg limbs would be pretty sweet, though.
     
  4. SA2

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    What a weird coincidence, especially since I've been watching SatAM..

    Part of me finds it really cool. It's a really unique thing, to me anyway, I haven't seen it anywhere else, but there's probably other things that use the same idea. I've always been a fan of robotics, it's pretty sweet to see for example, Bunnie, with her robotic limbs and all the skills she gains.

    Then there's the part that feels bad, since the idea of being captured or having friends or loved ones captured and turned into robot slaves must be pretty terrifying. It was something truly evil for Robotnik to not only just have that take over, but to also strip the Mobians of their natural forms. To take away their minds as well, (aside from the few that resisted.) It's a real shame that it can't really be used in the comics anymore, it was a real horrible threat that the Freedom Fighters had to fight against.

    There'd be a lot of pros and cons to it really. Like.. oh say, having your limbs no longer be compatible with your organic ones, and having to make a choice between the chance to get your normal body back, or dying, a la Bunnie.
     
  5. Mr. Pictures

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    <!--quoteo(post=448490:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:26 AM:name=SA2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SA2 @ Apr 28 2010, 04:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448490">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's a real shame that it can't really be used in the comics anymore, it was a real horrible threat that the Freedom Fighters had to fight against.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, last time I checked in the comics, roboticization was out. Is it because the comics are trying to follow the games more closely? It's a bit strange because roboticization was mentioned briefly in Sonic Chronicles.
     
  6. SA2

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    <!--quoteo(post=448492:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:54 AM:name=Mr. Pictures)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Pictures @ Apr 28 2010, 03:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448492">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, last time I checked in the comics, roboticization was out. Is it because the comics are trying to follow the games more closely? It's a bit strange because roboticization was mentioned briefly in Sonic Chronicles.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I think this pretty much clears it up: <a href="http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/De-Roboticizer" target="_blank">http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/De-Roboticizer</a>

    Though I'm not sure why they made it so. I doubt it was a game-continuity thing, Archie doesn't really seem to be going with that story-wise. In a few parts yeah, but the plots recently don't seem to be game related that much. Maybe they got rid of it so they could try other things? Other villains and threats. Who knows.

    With Chronicles.. I dunno. For that game they seemed to be getting a lot of Archie-themes in it. I really don't think much of Chronicles when it comes to tying-in that story with the rest of the game canon.
     
  7. LockOnTommy11

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    I like roboticization as a plot point. It's a terrifying concept, and it was used fantastically in the comics. That said, I think it's a theme which shouldn't be used in the games, because it's such a monstrous process, and Sonic should never be that dark. It#s almost as terrifying as The Terminator, where humans are rounded up and turned into cyborgs. It was nice to see it in Sonic Chronicles though, if not a little strange. Hopefully they'll expand upon it so it's not out of place within the series.
     
  8. <!--quoteo(post=448502:date=Apr 28 2010, 06:08 AM:name=SpeedStarTMQ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpeedStarTMQ @ Apr 28 2010, 06:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448502">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It#s almost as terrifying as The Terminator, where humans are rounded up and turned into cyborgs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Um, no, they're being massacred to the point of extinction. There ain't no cyborgs in Terminator!
     
  9. doc eggfan

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    <!--quoteo(post=448504:date=Apr 28 2010, 09:09 PM:name=True Dude)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (True Dude @ Apr 28 2010, 09:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448504">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=448502:date=Apr 28 2010, 06:08 AM:name=SpeedStarTMQ)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SpeedStarTMQ @ Apr 28 2010, 06:08 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448502">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It#s almost as terrifying as The Terminator, where humans are rounded up and turned into cyborgs.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Um, no, they're being massacred to the point of extinction. There ain't no cyborgs in Terminator!
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    Kyle Reese: Not a robot. A cyborg. A cybernetic organism.
     
  10. Neowl

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    <!--quoteo(post=448490:date=Apr 28 2010, 09:26 AM:name=SA2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SA2 @ Apr 28 2010, 09:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448490">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's a really unique thing, to me anyway, I haven't seen it anywhere else, but there's probably other things that use the same idea.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Doctor Who is one of these, the whole premise of the Cybermen revolves around a very similar idea.

    I like the idea of Roboticization, though for Sonic, it is a tad 'dark' in my opinion. Yeah, in the games we got animals trapped inside robots, and used as a fuel source, but hey, at least they can be freed.
     
  11. PsychoSk8r

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    Roboticization would be bad commercially, but perhaps good medically. =P
     
  12. test-object

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    The will for power is a very specific thing given to organisms made of flesh, so robots, a-okay.
    Give inhuman strength to humans however, is dangerous shit.
     
  13. E-122-Psi

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    I thought it was an interesting concept they used to deviate a little around the games (and explain why Sonic didn't just free Uncle Chuck by jumping on his head), that said it often lent to less innovative designs and mechanics than those of the games' implementation badnik design.

    As for in the games I think it would only be too morbid in certain aspects, it was more dark in the original show because they didn't know how to reverse the process. Not to mention the rather disturbing method the procedure took hold of the victim, apparently rather than being brainwashed, you were a perfectly conscious shell that merely had no control over any of your actions. I think that was drawing the line as even the show couldn't handle that type of darkness (Uncle Chuck as he explained this certainly did NOT look like a victim of this supposed living death for a decade).

    Under the right light Robotocization can be lightly handled (it was a plot point in the comical Rachet and Clank 3) just as badnik implementation can be a dark concept (Gamma's story in SA1, even if it was more poignant than outright morbid.

    The idea of a main character being turned into a robotic slave is a cool concept too (the comic's Mecha Madness arc tried it, even if it wasn't handled in the best manner).
     
  14. 0r4ng3

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    Robotization loses all of it's supposed charm when you put a bunch of anthro animals that look funny in such a situation. Oh how dark, slavery, poor meat bags turned into nuts and bolts, oh wait Sonic just made a butt joke or engaged in flirty bickering with Sally amidst a serious situation. It doesn't fit.
     
  15. ICEknight

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    That doesn't explain why there's birds and bunnies coming out of robotic ladybugs. :colbert:
     
  16. trakker

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    Wasent only invented to sidestep Robotnik having to actually kill people who appose him? :/

    "oh no they have been robotizized, I hope we can change then back some day"

    In satam, Robotnik should'a used robotisized mobians instead of swatbots, how could sonic possibly spin attack through a brainwashed mobian that could be changed back?

    alas, the fundamental flaws in badguys plans you notice when your older >_>
     
  17. Uncle Otis

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    I think roboticization could actually be a pretty cool plot device in the games if handled appropriately. Like, have regular animal-powered badniks as common enemies, and then when Sonic and co. drive Eggman to desperation at some point in the story, then he whips out this horrible new technology that even he's been reluctant to use. Then you'd start seeing fully-roboticized beings as mid-bosses or elite mooks.

    The one thing I didn't like about roboticization in SATAM was that everyone who underwent it came out looking like a terribly old and clunky machine. What about something more... modern?

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    You know, something along ^these^ lines? It's a fusion between mechanical and organic, would further distinguish badniks from roboticized beings, and would jive better with Dr. Eggman's current image (he's no longer really a polluting industrialist, but more of an extreme technophile. His creations ought to reflect that).

    Or as another possibility, what if another mad scientist, one much more reserved and cold hearted than Dr. Eggman, discovered the roboticization technology and used that against the Doctor and Sonic and co? I can see that happening.
     
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    Yeah, that was a problem for me too. Roboticization was never given so much attention in SatAM that it made a profound impact on a lot of the characters. It's very function was supposed to be scary and disturbing, but that's all you ever knew about it besides seeing the results.
     
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    <!--quoteo(post=448576:date=Apr 28 2010, 04:06 PM:name=Mr. Pictures)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Pictures @ Apr 28 2010, 04:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448576">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=448529:date=Apr 28 2010, 10:00 AM:name=0r4ng3)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (0r4ng3 @ Apr 28 2010, 10:00 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448529">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Robotization loses all of it's supposed charm when you put a bunch of anthro animals that look funny in such a situation. Oh how dark, slavery, poor meat bags turned into nuts and bolts, oh wait Sonic just made a butt joke or engaged in flirty bickering with Sally amidst a serious situation. It doesn't fit.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, that was a problem for me too. Roboticization was never given so much attention in SatAM that it made a profound impact on a lot of the characters. It's very function was supposed to be scary and disturbing, but that's all you ever knew about it besides seeing the results.
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    Well that's the problem with a kids animated show that aired on a Saturday morning, you had to make sure you didn't overdo it (even by 90s standards), otherwise parents probably would've flipped shit. Maybe if it was Sonic: After Dark or something along those lines, a mature take on Sonic, they could've done a lot more with it.
     
  20. <!--quoteo(post=448614:date=Apr 28 2010, 03:49 PM:name=Jebusman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jebusman @ Apr 28 2010, 03:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=448614">[​IMG]</a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Maybe if it was Sonic: After Dark or something along those lines, a mature take on Sonic, they could've done a lot more with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "Sonic: After Dark" sounds like a porno show. We already have the internet for that. :P

    Roboticization is one of my favorite aspects of the old American contiuities. It's a shame it's not been used since pre-Sonic Adventure. (Sonic Chronicles not counting)
     
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