Robotnik vs. Eggman

The same way it was "disrespectful" to change the original name that his creator gave him?

Sonic 4 by now looks it haves several flaws and issues.
An character name is not one, and it will never be as much people like to say so.
The game looks that don't have any voice work, so just call him "Dr. Robotnik" which was pretty much that we all did back then.

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That Boss screen shot doesn't feel right :/
Can someone with better eyes, compare the Doctor in the screen shot and the one in the trailers.
For me doesn't look the same, but maybe I'm just wrong.

 

Don't get me started on that. I don't care that Eggman was his original Japanese name, that doesn't detract on how its stupid. The reason it was changed to Robotnik during the launch of the franchise is cause it was a better name to market to the West. And guess what. IT WORKED! What happened when they forced American's to call him Eggman in the last decade? The franchise became a joke and gradually alienated its older fans. Americans NEVER referred to him as Eggman during the 90s. He was always Dr Robotnik in the games, cartoons, comics, advertisements, and merchandise. Plus when youre introduced to a villain that holds a menacing title like Dr. Robotnik and then its drastically changed to something retarded like Eggman, its going to demean his character and everything he used to represent. Again, speaking from an American perspective that was a teenager in the 90s.

 

Oh good god...



Boot up your Genesis if you don't believe me.

 

That's a pretty close-minded attitude. I grew up with "Dr. Robotnik" too, and I was only 8 when I first played a Sonic game. I don't like it, but it's something I've grown to accept.

By the way, your logic is tenuous at best. The franchise alienating its fans -- if such a thing is to be believed at all -- had more to do with declining quality than something as trivial as a name.

EDIT: I also type too damn slow.

 

Yes, Im quite aware of the EGGMAN name on Winged Fortress. Did I question it as a kid? Sure, alot of us did, especially on how the space station was called the Death Egg. But the difference back then is that the Eggman name was never thrown in our faces like it is today. Once Sonic Adventure was released in the US, alot of people were shocked when they discovered that Dr Robotnik was NOW being called Eggman. I was a freshman in college when it was released and I remember my friends having a bewildered expression on thier faces on why he was being called Dr. Eggman instead of Dr Robotnik. Cause hey, that's what we grew up with. Im all for updating a franchise, but only if the changes are good. Eggman is a step backwards to this once respected character. A better compromise would be to allow the Japanese to call him Eggman and the Americans/Europeans to call him Dr Robotnik. It worked in the 90s, so I don't see why it wouldnt work now.

 

Robotnik vs. Eggman debate ... here we go again... , peeps don't waste your time talking about that again, just go 100 Pages back and copy and paste your arguments here again, it will end the same way anyway, same conclusion, same arguments! :/

Its as pointless as the Jason vs Ryan debate, but oh well ..., grab your Popcorn kids, this is going to be Entertainment par Excellance!



Don't forget the golden cut, read my post on this page, theres more logic in there than in the whole Eggman vs Robotnik thing combined!
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?sho...mp;#entry415681

 

For ONCE it would be refreshing to watch an American advertisement for a Sonic game, where the announcer calls him Dr Robotnik. Its been over a decade since we officially called him that. Its unfair and selfish that Sega of Japan took that name away from us and continues to push their garbage around.

 

AKR, I give you three things.

SA1
SA2 (It says "ROBOTNIK EMPIRE")
The SONIC UNLEASHED manual

Ivo will ALWAYS be Robotnik. Eggman's his nickname. SEGA never forgot about his surname of Robotnik. You don't hear about Maria "Eggman," or Gerald "Eggman," do you? Jeez. Cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

 

That's just in print, how about in actual game play or commercials for once? The Sonic 4 storyline on the Sonic 4 site NEVER uses the name Robotnik, so WTF? Remember when it was "Sonic must defeat Dr Robotnik from roboticizing the citizens of Mobius?" Now its "Sonic must fight Dr Eggman and his Eggman Empire" It's just........fallen from grace.

 

It's a name. The game is the important part folks. I don't care if Sonic is saving the citizens from Dr. Robotnik or trying to fuck up Eggmanland as long as the game is fun really that's all that matters.

 

Fallen from grace? This manages to be even worse than the whole Sonic 4 thread combined. Obsessing over a sentence in a manual...

 

I understand that his name isn't a very big deal compared to other facets of the game, but the way in which Sonic Team made the transition in SA2 comes off as a tad condescending, and I really think they got rid of something nice in doing so. I also find it a tad amusing that anyone thinks that his name technically being Robotnik is really going to satisfy anyone who prefers Robotnik when you practically have to do research to tell that it's the case.

I said this before, and it kind of got glossed over, it really seems to me that Sonic should call him by "Robotnik" considering that he specifically wants to be called Eggman. What I'm suggesting is a compromise, if you haven't got that idea by now, one that I think makes a lot of sense in both the context of the story and the context of people's preferences. Essentially, Eggman would be his name for (in universe) official business, and he would obviously call himself by that name as well.

It's also a tad silly that they're using the word "Badnik" when the word seems to be based off "Robotnik" (Never got a straight answer on this one).

Need I remind anyone of this guy?

In Japan, the name "Bowser" does not exist. He is only known as King Koopa.

 

Peach's name used to be just Princess Toadstool. I think Super Mario 64 was the last game to reference Princess Toadstool and immediately started to call her Peach as soon as it did.

Still, though, I think this argument is stupid. It's Eggman and it'll always be Eggman even if the older stuff called him Robotnik. It won't ever be changed. HOWEVER, fans calling him Robotnik is fine because that still is his real name, technically.

I think it's just because we never had another name for them. They were probably just called something like robots or egg robots in Japan.

 

The main problem is that Sega of Japan are extremely controlling and manipulative of their other branches with an iron fist. If they want you to do something, then you'd better do it or else you are fired. At least that's how I've been seeing it from my observation on various points through Sega history.

Take the Sega game series Eternal Champions for example. The game had a game released for the Mega Drive/Genesis and a couple of years later a sequel for the Sega CD, Eternal Champions: Challenge From the Dark Side was released. The series was fairly popular and was supposed to be a trilogy. It was made by a group in SOA and when it came time to make a third game for the Saturn, Sega of Japan intervened and forced the project to cancel because they said only one Sega Fighting game series was allowed to be made for any Sega system and it was the Arcade hit, Virtua Fighter. Then they decided to allow Fighting Vipers to be made because AM2 made it.

The next Sega of Japan forcing its other branches to do stuff they wanted them to can be seen in the fact that SA2 started to have Robotnik always go by Eggman, even as referring to himself as Eggman. Then of course, if Sega of Japan hadn't pushed the whole fact that Sonic X voice actors and Sonic game voice actors would be one in the same, then we might have actually still had the old voice actors.

Sega of Japan are really that bad. In the mid and early 90's it seems Sega of America and Sega of Europe had a say in what they could do in their own regions because they were doing better than Sega of Japan. Sega of Japan also did this to cater to Sonic Team who were still over in the US at the time because they were being kiss asses and wanted to keep them in the company.

Its pretty obvious that Sega of Japan are racist to white men and anyone from America who are not of Japanese origin.

Note some of this information may not really be true but it does make you wonder just how Sega of Japan thinks and there is some - while only minor - evidence to support it. Still these are my personal beliefs on the matter as well as observations on Sega of Japan's behavior with its other branches and influencing the other branches' decisions.

If the above is indeed true, don't expect Sega to win a Game of the Year award at X-Play ever because it proves that Sega of Japan is not willing to work as a team like they should with their other branches anymore. Kind of sad actually.

Once again, these are my personal opinions and thoughts that are based on minor observations of Sega of Japan's behavior and treatment of its other branches. As a result, take it with a grain of salt but also think about it for a bit in your head.

 

This is so true. In fact, in 2007 SOJ admitted that they were xenophobic towards other regions in fear that they would "hurt" their creation. Not to mention, they threatened to cancel Sonic Unleashed unless SOE and SOA agreed to implement the werehog gimmick.

 

I can't account for the other things which you did not mention, but for this one it was probably the ideal move, from the casual fan knowledge I have of Sega.

Virtua Fighter is an arcade title and this market started declining (again) in the middle of the nineties. Sega largely focused on their arcade business as it was responsible for a large margin of their income back then. It's also important to understand that Sega wanted to make a bridge between the home consoles and the arcades, something they had started with the MegaDrive and wanted to continue.

With this in mind, Virtua Fighter 2 was one of the highest selling titles for the arcades at that point, so if Sega felt the franchise getting threatened, and by a game that didn't gross that well then this was a decision with sense and not with hate. After all EC2 was for the Sega CD, there weren't that many around, and they are nothing compared to the (very) popular arcade Model-2 across all regions. Having two fighters would split the target audience and both the VF demographic and the arcades would suffer, along with the added dev cost for a new EC title. And Sega was taking a nosedive both in the arcades like I said before and in the home hardware business, as the Saturn failed to deliver outside of Japan. They weren't printing money then.

I don't know dates very well, but EC2 was published in 1995, which was the same year as Fighting Vipers was published in the arcades. I've no idea about months, but either way, FV had to be approved at least a year before. I don't know any dates for EC3 or when it was cancelled, perspective is important in this kind of thigns. I might be wrong but seeing these facts it's very difficult to believe that they allowed AM2 to do FV after EC3 was cancelled. It is obvious they'd port it however, as the process was easy and not very costly. Daytona, Virtua Fighter, House of the Dead are all titles that got the same treatment.

I think it's rather odd that they cut ties with it so abruptly though. But it's not surprising they'd want to keep the branches in check as they sometimes got a bit frisky (Stolar was a moron in more than one occasion), as they're the founders and therefore, they are the ones knowing what the Sega brand should go. The same for Sonic. It's their franchise, not SOA or SOE. Not mentioning SOJ are the ones that signed their pay checks. :v:

Never heard of either. Do you have any links for that?

 

Can you imagine if the Sonic fan community had to deal with the naming catastrophe that was Final Fantasy 1-6? :specialed:

I think Eggman works best as a nickname. Like how the Adventure series handled it. His name is Robotnik. That's seemingly concrete with old Grandpa Gerald Robotnik. I switch back and forth.

 

SOA and SOE (probably guys in marketing or the producers) recommended to Sonic Team to not go ahead with the Werehog. Sonic Team did the Ed Wood thing and made it anyway. You know, it actually does seem kind of like the sort of thing Ed Wood might do.

There was never a threat to cancel it, though, the Werehog was out of SOA and SOE's hands and canceling it probably wasn't Sonic Team's call anyway.