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Rare Chao: The History

Discussion in 'General Sonic Discussion' started by Black Squirrel, Oct 3, 2023.

  1. Blue Spikeball

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    Yes, cloning Chao with this method is possible. People have done it.
     
  2. muteKi

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    The Chao Doctor on the SA1 website (archived at least partly through dreampipe, IIRC) does reference the Light Chao a few places and hints at how to get it.

    I haven't tested this any time recently but as I understand it, while it's easy (if potentially glitchy) to import a chao from SA1 into SA2, it's not possible to do the reverse, since Chao Adventure 2 isn't data compatible with the original chao adventure, so SA1 can't read the data. The chao downloads take up the 'game' space on the VMU they're downloaded to, IIRC, but I understand that it's an extremely stripped-down version of the SA2 chao program that has the chao data and, effectively, nothing else.
     
  3. Blue Spikeball

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    One thing I've long wondered about the online Black Market was how it worked?

    Supposedly you could trade emblems for Chao. Does that mean that if you bought a Chao that costs 20 emblems, 20 emblems would be removed from your save file, so you would have to re-obtain them latter? If so, how were the emblems chosen? Was it random?
     
  4. Chaos Rush

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    In elementary school, all of my friends that were into Sonic knew about it though (though this was 2004 and not 1999). Info about Chaos Chao was written in guidebooks as well as online game strategy/tips sites like GameWinners, and of course it was detailed on almost every Sonic fan site.
     
  5. aria

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    im gonna be honest ive never heard about the chaos chao until this very moment
     
  6. BenoitRen

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    I remember a terminal appearing in an offline Phantasy Star Online quest. After searching, it looks like this appears in the quest "The Fake In Yellow". You can read the quest's script I contributed back in the day.
     
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  8. Black Squirrel

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    I can narrow it down.

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    This is the "Nintendo GameCube + Game Boy Player: Enjoy Plus Pack" which according to Nintendo came out on the 21st June 2003. That sticker suggests the catalog disc was bundled in, though not all boxes seem to have this sticker.

    However, Nintendo dropped the price of the GameCube in October and seems to have stopped hyping up this particlar package around that time. On 22nd July 2004 a new bundle with a "crystal controller" replaced it.


    Either way this was well after the events where you could download Chao.
     
  9. muteKi

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    If dreampipe is an accurate representation your save file is used to verify emblem count but nothing is deducted from your total. I would imagine it worked this way at the time too.
     
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  10. So hey, I can contribute a few things I'm sure of here! The "Shadow" Chao from raising a Dark high Run-stat chao definitely exists in the Dreamcast version of SA2, I raised one before raising a Sonic Chao back in the day. My Dreamcast is packed away now, but it's likely I still have the save data on my VMU.

    The Tails Chao that transfers to SADX/SA2B from the PSO Episode I & II quest "The Fake in Yellow" definitely came to the US. You don't need to be online as the GCN requires an external adapter to even get online and it was rare enough that I never had one. The fact that very few games used the adapter had SEGA releasing the game with most (all? It's been ages so I can't remember) of the content accessible through split-screen multiplayer. The game *could* also go online, although again I never had the adapter so never played the GCN release online.

    Finally, you could also play both the Dreamcast PSO and the Episode I & II release offline in single-player mode, but who - other than teenage me for some unfathomable reason - would play an MMO offline in single-player mode?
     
  11. PkR

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    A while back I was researching SA1 Dreamcast VMU files, including Chao, and posted what I know here and here.
     
  12. BenoitRen

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    The adapter was released at the same time as Phantasy Star Online, so this was not a consideration. Split-screen was pretty limited because there were no quests, but you could do Challenge Mode and Battle Mode.

    The Plus release added all downloadable quests, which were only playable solo.

    Lots of people played PSO offline, including yours truly. Even alone, it was fun. Furthermore, it was the only way to permanently unlock areas, and the Hunter's Guild had a collection of solo quests that introduced characters and built the world. Plus, you could level up more easily as online enemies had their stats boosted.

    Finally, PSO is not an MMO.
     
  13. Black Squirrel

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    A better shot for those who might care, and proof that at this event, it wasn't actually a "corner".